<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1450606269514469573</id><updated>2011-04-21T21:22:14.249-07:00</updated><category term='Media Reports'/><category term='Evidence'/><category term='Transcripts'/><category term='In the Media'/><category term='Determinations and judgments'/><category term='The Hearing'/><category term='Announcements'/><category term='The &quot;Integrity&quot; of the Henshalls'/><category term='Press Releases'/><title type='text'>The Henshall Hearing</title><subtitle type='html'>A GMC Fiasco</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>.</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>17</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1450606269514469573.post-158625186011840589</id><published>2008-07-06T06:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-06T06:56:11.728-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Press Releases'/><title type='text'>Press Release from the doctors.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Press Release&lt;br /&gt;Friday 4th July 2008&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Following the Determination by the GMC Fitness to Practise Panel in the cases of Dr Spencer, Dr Southall and Dr Samuels that there is No Case to Answer&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This decision must put to an end the longstanding allegationsi that have been repeatedly quoted in the press regarding the CNEP trial (ii). This whole process has led to cruel and unnecessary anxiety for those families who may have thought that their children had been given harmful treatment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After hearing detailed evidence from the complainants, from 22 GMC witnesses and from three experts, the GMC panel concluded that there was no case to answer and abandoned its case. No evidence was presented to the Panel to show that any baby had been damaged by CNEP or by poor quality care. One independent GMC expert described the conduct of the CNEP trial as outstanding and another expressed regret that the longstanding media campaign has deprived children of a very promising treatment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PACA considers that this case is a disturbing demonstration of how the GMC ignores the findings of previous investigations. The issues in this case had already been investigated by the doctors’ employing Trustiii, the NHS Regional Office and Staffordshire Police. Professor Rod Griffiths concluded in 2006 that “CNEP did no more damage than any other treatment that might have been used to try and help these [sick, preterm] infants.(iv) Others had previously stated that “the conduct of the CNEP trial was exemplary”(v). Yet this is the third time the GMC have considered this complaint over 11 years and in doing so the GMC Panel acknowledged that delays in the GMC process had breached the human rights of the doctors under investigation as set out in Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PACA is concerned that GMC reform has led to the pendulum swinging so far in the direction of protecting patients that the doctors’ rights are being abused and that this may deter those doctors who must act on behalf of the vulnerable child. The RCPCH passed a motion at its AGM in March 2008 expressing “grave concerns over current GMC procedures for dealing with cases related to child protection”. Whilst this Hearing was about a research study in newborn infants and not ostensibly about child protection, it is part of a pattern targeting doctors who have been involved in child protection. Two of these doctors had pioneered the use of covert surveillance to detect life-threatening child abuse. One of these, David Southall, is currently appealing his erasure from the medical register arising out of his child protection work. The GMC does not recognise vexatious complaints. These complainants are putting vulnerable children at risk by trying to discredit certain types of child abuse, particularly FII, and by recruiting the GMC to discredit those who make that diagnosis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The GMC must reform its procedures to ensure justice for both patients and doctors and, in particular, to support those doctors whose duty is to protect vulnerable children.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;i Allegations of forgery, fraud and killing babies have been repeatedly made against medical staff over the last 11 years, led by the complainants in the Fitness to Practise Hearing concluded today.&lt;br /&gt;ii The CNEP trial was a research study undertaken to examine whether the use of Continuous Negative Extrathoracic Pressure (CNEP) could help reduce the incidence of chronic lung disease of prematurity. It was carried out in two newborn intensive care units at Queen Charlotte’s Hospital, London and the North Staffordshire Hospital, Stoke-on-Trent between 1989 and 1993.&lt;br /&gt;iii The North Staffordshire Hospital suspended two out of the three doctors from 1999 to 2001 for 20 and 27 months, whilst undertaking inquiries into their work in research and child protection.&lt;br /&gt;iv Quote from Griffiths R. CNEP and research governance. Lancet 2006;367:1037-38.&lt;br /&gt;v Quote from Hey E, Chalmers I. Investigating allegations of research misconduct: the vital need for due process. BMJ 2000:321:1-8&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1450606269514469573-158625186011840589?l=henshallhearing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/feeds/158625186011840589/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1450606269514469573&amp;postID=158625186011840589' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/158625186011840589'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/158625186011840589'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/2008/07/press-release-from-doctors.html' title='Press Release from the doctors.'/><author><name>.</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1450606269514469573.post-60695243197301005</id><published>2008-07-05T04:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-05T04:40:32.335-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='In the Media'/><title type='text'>Post Hearing Statements</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.thisisthesentinel.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=158767&amp;amp;command=displayContent&amp;amp;sourceNode=158593&amp;amp;contentPK=21021997&amp;amp;folderPk=87654&amp;amp;pNodeId=158324"&gt;Sentinel Newspapers&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the Doctors&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;"This must at last put an end to the long-standing allegations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;"No evidence was produced to show that any baby was damaged by CNEP or by poor quality of care.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;"One independent expert described the conduct of the trial as outstanding. This is the third time the GMC has considered this case, and in doing so it acknowledged that our human rights have been breached due to delays.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;"The issues have also been investigated by the hospital, the NHS regional office and the police. On every occasion the conclusion has been the same.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;"It is our sincere hope we can now put this case behind us and concentrate on caring for patients."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Comment - The doctors failed to thank those who assisted them when no other media outlet would feature their material. This includes the reason why a new expert was obtained by General Medical Council when they had not done so for a decade or more. The Article 6 Human Rights Act arguments and case law were all provided to the doctors for their use. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From Mr and Mrs Henshall.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span id="main2"&gt;After yesterday's ruling, Mrs Henshall, aged 40, of Melville Court, said: "We fight on for justice after this decision. I have finally lost patience with this perverse system. The process is seriously flawed and one-sided, and has no place in the modern world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Despite being joint complainants with the GMC, we were not allowed to have any say over what evidence was submitted or what expertise to call in support of our allegations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"We have tried in vain to ensure that, through proper channels, some accountability and safety awareness for infants in research, using our appalling experience, be highlighted and acknowledged.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"By its present procedures, the GMC cannot provide a mechanism for ensuring patient safety or enabling a fair and thorough investigation of parents' concern about possible serious professional misconduct"&lt;br /&gt;-------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;The conclusion of this issue is that the doctors will continue to be hounded by Penny Mellor, Brian Morgan and the Henshalls. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a name="continueNews" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); text-decoration: none; font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1450606269514469573-60695243197301005?l=henshallhearing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/feeds/60695243197301005/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1450606269514469573&amp;postID=60695243197301005' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/60695243197301005'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/60695243197301005'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/2008/07/post-hearing-statements.html' title='Post Hearing Statements'/><author><name>.</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1450606269514469573.post-7138717526914588627</id><published>2008-07-04T07:42:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-04T07:43:23.440-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Determinations and judgments'/><title type='text'>No Case to Answer</title><content type='html'>The &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Henshall&lt;/span&gt; case has been &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7490191.stm"&gt;dismissed by the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;GMC&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Press Association &lt;a href="http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hQNec_LL8WDTPeEgLxR5Q1KAqnSg"&gt;lists a summary article&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The news was brought to us by access to Penny &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;Mellor's&lt;/span&gt; website and not by &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;PACA&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1450606269514469573-7138717526914588627?l=henshallhearing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/feeds/7138717526914588627/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1450606269514469573&amp;postID=7138717526914588627' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/7138717526914588627'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/7138717526914588627'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/2008/07/no-case-to-answer.html' title='No Case to Answer'/><author><name>.</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1450606269514469573.post-6375846741348176340</id><published>2008-06-30T01:53:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-30T02:12:42.494-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Hearing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='In the Media'/><title type='text'>Adjournment of GMC Hearing AGAIN.</title><content type='html'>&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tphMnL4vxbs/SGii_SOSGBI/AAAAAAAAAP0/QKn5JgZxUX8/s1600-h/my-tents-at-bc-07.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tphMnL4vxbs/SGii_SOSGBI/AAAAAAAAAP0/QKn5JgZxUX8/s320/my-tents-at-bc-07.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5217599376415922194" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;Paediatricians and Psychiatrists&lt;br /&gt;Pitching a Tent Near GMC Manchester. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"&gt;They would rather pitch a tent rather&lt;br /&gt;than recognise the threat of Scientology. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This is of course the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;umpteenth&lt;/span&gt; adjournment by the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;GMC&lt;/span&gt;. We predict that the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;GMC&lt;/span&gt; will make a finding that there is a case to answer. This is because the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;GMC&lt;/span&gt; has to be seen to be reacting to publicity. The &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;GMC&lt;/span&gt; admitted to a &lt;a href="http://www.generalmedicalcouncil.com/2008/05/finlay-scott-and-his-stalinist-regime.html"&gt;Article 6 Violation of Human Rights&lt;/a&gt;  of the doctors earlier on in the hearing. The Sentinel &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;misinterpretes&lt;/span&gt; the facts again. The statistics report from Professor Hutton was supportive of the doctors' work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We agree with Penny &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;Mellor's&lt;/span&gt; sentiments, the doctors might as well pitch a tent in Manchester. We also suggest that Penny &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;Mellor&lt;/span&gt; advises the Royal College of Psychiatrists as well as the paediatricians that tents will be required. She and her &lt;a href="http://wickedconspirator.blogspot.com/2008/06/cchr-helping-penny-mellor-get-msbp.html"&gt;cohorts at &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;CCHR&lt;/span&gt; are due to subject a majority of them to  revolving door &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;GMC&lt;/span&gt; procedures. &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Sentinel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.thisisthesentinel.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=158315&amp;amp;command=displayContent&amp;amp;sourceNode=158804&amp;amp;contentPK=20971028&amp;amp;folderPk=87659&amp;amp;pNodeId=158795"&gt;HEARING AGAINST &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;CNEP&lt;/span&gt; TRIAL DOCTORS SUSPENDED IN LIGHT OF PLEAS &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;09:40 - 28 June 2008&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A long-running disciplinary hearing against three North &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;Staffordshire&lt;/span&gt; doctors accused of serious professional misconduct has been adjourned for a week. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The interruption after almost a month of evidence is to allow a panel set up by the General Medical Council to consider legal pleas that the medics have no case to answer.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The charges facing paediatricians &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;Drs&lt;/span&gt; David &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;Southall&lt;/span&gt;, Andrew Spencer and Martin &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;Samuels&lt;/span&gt; relate to the so-called &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;CNEP&lt;/span&gt; experiments on babies carried out at the North &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;Staffordshire&lt;/span&gt; Hospital during the early 1990s.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;They follow complaints first made 13 years ago by Clayton parents Carl and Deborah &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;Henshall&lt;/span&gt; who claim the research caused the death of one of their baby daughters and brain damage in another.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;Henshalls&lt;/span&gt; have already given several days of evidence that they did not give informed consent for the infants to be used in the trial.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19"&gt;GMC's&lt;/span&gt; professional conduct committee has also taken testimony from other North &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20"&gt;Staffordshire&lt;/span&gt; families whose babies were in &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21"&gt;CNEP&lt;/span&gt;, a statistician on how the research was evaluated and a specialist in medical ethics.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dr &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22"&gt;Southall&lt;/span&gt; who has retired from the University Hospital of North &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23"&gt;Staffordshire&lt;/span&gt; has already been struck off the medical register for an unrelated matter, but been reinstated pending his appeal. The other two still work there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;At the start of the Manchester hearing, the panel ruled out submissions on behalf of &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_24"&gt;Drs&lt;/span&gt; Spencer and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_25"&gt;Samuels&lt;/span&gt; that the events happened so long ago that they would be deprived of a fair trial.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_26"&gt;CNEP&lt;/span&gt; involved premature babies into negative pressure tanks to allow them to breathe more naturally than by using traditional ventilation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The hearing is scheduled to end on July 11.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1450606269514469573-6375846741348176340?l=henshallhearing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/feeds/6375846741348176340/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1450606269514469573&amp;postID=6375846741348176340' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/6375846741348176340'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/6375846741348176340'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/2008/06/adjournment-of-gmc-hearing-again.html' title='Adjournment of GMC Hearing AGAIN.'/><author><name>.</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tphMnL4vxbs/SGii_SOSGBI/AAAAAAAAAP0/QKn5JgZxUX8/s72-c/my-tents-at-bc-07.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1450606269514469573.post-7147730111341694794</id><published>2008-06-23T02:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-23T02:31:22.248-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Transcripts'/><title type='text'>Day 3 14/5/08 Henshall Hearing</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="Section1"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h1&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;FITNESS TO PRACTISE PANEL&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(&lt;b style=""&gt;applying the General Medical Council’s Preliminary Proceedings Committee&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;and Professional Conduct Committee (Procedure Rules) 1988&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;On:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Wednesday, 14 May 2008&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Held at:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;St James’s Buildings&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;79 Oxford Street&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Manchester M1 6FQ&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Case of&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h1&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;STEPHEN ANDREW SPENCER BM BS 1976 University of Nottingham&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;  &lt;h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Registration No: 2305893&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DAVID PATRICK SOUTHALL MRCS 1971 Royal College of Surgeons of England&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Registration No: 1491739&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MARTIN PHILIP SAMUELS MB BS 1981 University of London&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Registration No: 2732178&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(&lt;u&gt;Day Three&lt;/u&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Panel Members:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr D Kyle (Chairman)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mrs V Brickley&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mrs S Hollingworth&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Dr T Okitikpi&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Dr M Sheldon&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr A Forrest (Legal Assessor)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;--------------------------------------&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR M FORDE, Queen’s Counsel, instructed by RadcliffesLeBrasseur, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of Dr Spencer.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS M O’ROURKE, Counsel, instructed by Hempsons, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of Dr Southall.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR C FOSTER, Counsel, instructed by RadcliffesLeBrasseur, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of Dr Samuels.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS J SULLIVAN, Counsel, instructed by Eversheds, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of the General Medical Council and the Complainants, Mr and Mrs C Henshall.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;--------------------------------------&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Transcript of the shorthand notes of &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Transcribe UK Verbatim Reporting Services Ltd&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Tel No:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;01889 270708&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoTitle"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoTitle"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;INDEX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoTitle" style="text-align: left;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                                                        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Page&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ABUSE OF PROCESS APPLICATION&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MR FOSTER on behalf of Dr Samuels continued&lt;span style=""&gt;                             &lt;/span&gt;1&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MR FORDE on behalf of Dr Spencer&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                            &lt;/span&gt;2&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MISS O’ROURKE on behalf of Dr Southall&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                &lt;/span&gt;3&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                 &lt;/span&gt;4&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN on behalf of the Council&lt;span style=""&gt;                                         &lt;/span&gt;5&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;MR FORDE on behalf of Dr Spencer&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                            &lt;/span&gt;21&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;MR FOSTER on behalf of Dr Samuels&lt;span style=""&gt;                                              &lt;/span&gt;27&lt;span style=""&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR’S ADVICE&lt;span style=""&gt;                                            &lt;/span&gt;33&lt;span style=""&gt;                                &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;------------------------&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Good morning everybody. Mr Foster, I think you had completed your submissions on behalf of Dr Samuels. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I had completed my submissions, sir, but there is one point I must make before we go on now.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Very well.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Disclosure in this case continues.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Just before coming in to the room, I was handed an attendance note dated 25 March 2008.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It relates to a conversation between those instructing my learned friend and Dr Stimmler.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It says, amongst other things, that he was asked to query whether there was any duty to warn of adverse effects:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Dr Stimmler did not see that this was necessary as the adverse effects were not known until after the trial had finished.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He thought that there had been quite extensive work to ensure that the effects on bonding were minimised.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;And it goes on. It is now perfectly plain that Dr Stimmler and Dr Nicholson no longer support a number of the allegations which they apparently originally supported, if they ever did, at the time that these charges were drafted.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We have, on this side, no idea what the experts the GMC proposes to call are currently supporting.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are entitled to know.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We should have known a long time ago, we are entitled to know it now.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is pertinent, for all the reasons that I articulated yesterday in the process of this abuse of process argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I was saying, and Mr Forde was supporting me in this, that you can conclude that this is a misconceived abusive prosecution because, amongst other things, there is simply no evidence whatever upon which a proper prosecutor could conclude that there was a chance of getting these allegations home.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I am formally asking my learned friend to say what is the final position about her expert evidence, which of these allegations levelled against the practitioners will finally be supported by the experts?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They have plainly changed their position and we are entitled to know what their final position is going to be.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If that means, and I suspect it does mean, the filing of further amended expert reports which reflect the positions embodied in the attendance note we have just seen, that is what should be done.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The difficulty the Panel is in at the moment is that we are not at the moment at an evidence considering stage. I quite understand the point you are making, and no doubt this is a matter which you have discussed with Ms Sullivan and have now made the point in the open hearing that you do have these concerns.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Presumably the document you have just been referring to is not one which you would wish the Panel to have at the moment in the context of the application which is currently being made.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not think there is any relevance other than the part which I have read out.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The point is that we still do not know the case we have to meet.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are entitled to have disclosed to us the expert evidence upon which the Council is intending to rely.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At the moment the expert evidence, such as it is, is contained in a mass of attendance notes as well as expert reports.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those attendance notes indicate a massive shift of mind.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not clear that the Council has any expert evidence which even purports to support the allegations against Dr Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The disclosure which has been coming in piecemeal over the last few days, supports very strongly the contention I was making yesterday, namely that there must be an inappropriate motive for continuing at least against Mr Samuels because there is no evidence against him at all.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is something which is relevant at this stage for the two reasons I set out in my submissions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You indicated yesterday and it is contained in section 6 of your skeleton argument as to how you would present the merits of the case as having any relevance to the abuse of process argument. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you, Mr Foster. Mr Forde?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, might I briefly echo those concerns.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not any criticism of my learned friend, and in many ways there is a certain irony that we are able to express consternation because of the completely transparent approach of Ms Sullivan and her instructing solicitor to disclosure, upon which they are to be congratulated.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The document that I have been handed this morning, dated 25 March 2008, deals with two issues – the neck trauma, where Dr Stimmler appears not to be supporting the suggestion that that was an adverse incident which should have been reported to parents or, alternatively, to the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is paragraph 6 of the charges against my client. The 28 March attendance note that I read part of yesterday, appears not to support charge 8, and this latest document appears in relation to the duty, which I was querying, of a consultant as set out in paragraph 11(d).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again it appears not to be supported because the attendance note suggests that the consultant treating the patient did not retain any responsibility once he delegated the consent taken to a junior doctor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Stimmler thought that the doctor’s duty, that must be the consultant, ended with checking that the consent form had been signed. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;He did not think it was necessary to return to the parents to check that they had understood and you will recall the anxieties I was expressing about the fact that these babies had to be in the trial within four hours.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is a difficult area in any event.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I go back a stage in relation to Mr Foster’s submission.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If it is indeed the case that the expert evidence relied upon by the General Medical Council does not support those charges in particular, you ought not to be required to consider them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They should have the same line through them as you have on the amended charge sheet in relation, for instance, to charges 3(b) and 4.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the concern that we have.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It would be an awful shame if you had to involve yourself in anxious deliberation of our submissions only to find that the General Medical Council were going to withdraw charges that you may or may not have ruled upon in relation to abuse.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think, not only in fairness to the doctors, but in fairness to you as a Panel, if the expert evidence is melting away, as it appears to us it is, then we all ought to be made aware of that fact.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS O’ROURKE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, can I join in.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Although I am not involved in the applications, this is an issue which concerns me.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;When Ms Morris handed me the attendance note, which I think is now the fourth that I have seen from Dr Stimmler, I said to her it is now imperative that we have a revised report from Dr Stimmler because experts have duties, both under the Civil Procedure Rules in a case authority called &lt;i&gt;The Ikarian Reefer&lt;/i&gt;, but also from members of institutes of experts – and one would expect in GMC proceedings the same – that if they undergo a change of view from the time at which they have provided their report, then they should notify all parties of that change of view because they are independent.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The report served originally from Dr Stimmler pre‑dated the Notice of Inquiry, pre‑dated the charges and pre‑dated the charges as they now stand as of yesterday morning.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I said to Ms Morris, on behalf of Dr Southall, that I would like to see – and two sides of A4 would do – something from Dr Stimmler referring to his original report, now referring to the heads of charge that remain standing and indicating in the light of the contents of those four subsequent attendance notes which, if any, of those heads of charge would he be supporting in his expert evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;My own belief, having looked at those attendance notes, is that, as far as Dr Southall is concerned, charges 6 to 9 must now be an issue and also, as Mr Forde had said, 11(d) must be an issue.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If that is the case, I would like to know and as soon as possible, because our preparations for our case are ongoing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If those are charges which Dr Stimmler does not support – and he is the only medical expert you are going to hear because Professor Hutton is a medical statistician and is not a registered medical practitioner, and Dr Nicholson is an ethicist and is also not a registered medical practitioner – if the only medical expert evidence you are going to hear is from Dr Stimmler, and he is now is backing down on a number of the charges, then we need to know as soon as possible because it influences how we prepare our defence.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you, Miss O’Rourke. Ms Sullivan, before I ask you, I think our Legal Assessor has something to say. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not sure we are all concentrating on abuse of process at the moment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I entirely accept the doctors need to know the case against them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What the two counsel who are party to the application are really saying in respect of this part of the evidence, is an application, an equivalent, to quashing the indictment or quashing various counts on the indictment on the basis of insufficient evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;My preliminary view is that I am not prepared to advise the Panel to do that by this very selective quotation of various bits of evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the sort of thing they could only do, as a judge would do, by looking at the whole of the, as it were, committal evidence which I do not imagine anyone wants to put before the Panel.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That may be something you wish to think about further.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you want to make a full blown attack on charges on the basis that there is no evidence to support them, then it will have to be done that way rather than just saying, “The charge says that, and I have this attendance note that says something different”. Is there any difficulty about producing a revised report from Dr Stimmler to consolidate his views? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I can understand the request for that and I do not see any difficulty with that, apart from timing because he is away at the moment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I certainly understand that request and we will do our best to supply that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I imagine the next question is when? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are just finding out when he is returning.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Can I say in the interim that I agree with the Legal Assessor that the issues that have been raised now are different from the way in which the abuse application has been put hitherto.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I propose now to deal with the application as it was made yesterday by Mr Forde and Mr Foster.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It would not be right for you to look at the merits of the case without seeing all the evidence, and that has not been something that you have been asked to do so far.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, Dr Stimmler is back on 23 May.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Could I respond to your observation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I set out in my skeleton argument where I dealt with the merits the evidence which has been produced by the General Medical Council in relation to the heads of charge against Dr Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In other words, I put the case against Dr Samuels as high as on the GMC’s own evidence it could be put.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I will be waiting to hear what the answer in Ms Sullivan’s response is.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If her response is, “You have misrepresented the GMC’s case and in addition to what you put before the Panel in your skeleton argument, there is a lot of other evidence and here it is”, which makes it sensible still to level those allegations against Dr Samuels, then of course that will be a ground for those allegations to remain levelled against Dr Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If there is no such response from Ms Sullivan, you can conclude there is no answer and you should take out your pencil and put a line through the corresponding charges against Dr Samuels.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I am wondering about is, if the case is opened and Ms Sullivan details what her evidence is, then you should know the case against you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not know whether she is proposing to do that in answer to your submissions, because it is fair to say you made many of these points yesterday by attendance notes arising.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not brand new this morning.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I wonder whether that should go off until after the opening to see how she intends to set about proving these issues or whether she is prepared to do that in answer to your submissions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do submit she is bound to do that in answer to the submissions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She has, presumably, prepared an opening and so, given a little time, could you deal with it in that way, Ms Sullivan? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This application has primarily been based on the question of delay and that is what I want to deal with now.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My response is going to be to say that this Panel should not look at the merits of the case now, that that is not an appropriate approach when an application has been based on primarily delay.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not want to embarrass you, but are you in a position to say to the Panel that you are satisfied that you have evidence to support each of the allegations which remain? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes, we do have evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have evidence from a number of different experts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They do not all have the same view of particular heads of charge, but we do have evidence, for example from Dr Nicholson, in relation to heads of charge, I think 6 to 10 were the ones just mentioned by Miss O’Rourke ‑‑ 6 to 9.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Nicholson is supportive of those heads of charge and has not changed is view on that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not a case that you need to wait until Dr Stimmler is back before deciding whether you are pursuing? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No, that is right.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Stimmler has a different view of some of those heads of charge.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It will be for the Panel hearing the expert evidence to evaluate that evidence and which evidence they prefer and whose expertise they may prefer in relation to particular heads of charge.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do have evidence to support it, otherwise I would not be pursuing it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is a question of what weight is to be attached to that evidence and the respective experts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My learned friends know that, that is no surprise them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is nothing that has been disclosed in this note this morning that fundamentally alters that position.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think we must let Ms Sullivan proceed as she wishes and then we can resume this argument, if appropriate, once she has made those submissions and Mr Foster and Mr Forde have answered.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It seems to me, picking up on the points raised by Mr Forde and Mr Foster, and also the discussion which the Legal Assessor just indicated, there are really two dimensions at the moment to the matters which have been raised this morning.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The first is not a directly live issue at the moment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is a matter of what the evidence in support of the charges might be in due course.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Obviously, one of the matters which you, as counsel for the General Medical Council, have to keep under review is the state of the evidence as it appears to you at any given time and the evaluation you make of it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As has been accepted, I think on both sides of the room, particular mention having been made of Dr Stimmler, that there have been some recent disclosures which tend to suggest that Dr Stimmler may be changing his position.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not know whether that is correct or not, but certainly the indication you have just given us is that perhaps it would be desirable for Dr Stimmler to review his evidence against the charges as they now are and produce a supplemental report.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We know that cannot happen until 23 May at the earliest because he is not back until then.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is one dimension.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The second dimension which is more immediately relevant, is in the context of the submissions which Mr Foster was making yesterday, in which he submitted to the Panel that the merits of the case have a relevance, as he describes it, to his application around abuse of process on two bases.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First, he suggests that the exercise of discretion in an abuse of process argument a tribunal will be understanding or reluctant to stay for abuse a case which otherwise has a high prospect of success.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The second point was that they indicated something about the motive for bringing the proceedings if the prospects of proceedings are extremely low, it plainly suggests that something other than an objective assessment of prospects and public benefit is acting. As I understand what Mr Foster is saying in relation to the attendance note he has referred to this morning, he would say that that is some support for the submission as he puts it in his argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Whether he is right or not in that submission is a matter which is now open to you respond to as part of your response, and it is a matter for the Panel to consider when they determine this part of the application.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are two dimensions, one for the future and one in the context of the submissions Mr Foster was making yesterday.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;If I am right in the expressing the Panel’s understanding of the expression in that way, and I see that Mr Foster and Mr Forde are both nodding, that, I think, is that second dimension as I describe it which is of more immediate relevance in the context of this application and it is open for you to deal with that in your response.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes, I was proposing to deal with it in my response.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Now that that matter has been raised and discussed and seemingly put in the appropriate two contexts, I think if that is all that Mr Foster, Mr Forde and Miss O’Rourke wish to say, we will now give the floor to you, Ms Sullivan, for your response to the submissions which were made yesterday.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Can I begin by handing out the documents upon which I would propose to rely in responding to this application, the first of which is a skeleton argument prepared by me in anticipation of these applications.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;That will be C1.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;(Document handed)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The second document is a chronology which will be C2.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;(Document handed)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The next document is an authority, &lt;i style=""&gt;R v Smolinski&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i style=""&gt;[2004] 2 Cr App R 40&lt;/i&gt;, C3.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;(Document handed)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A Panel Member has asked me is this an agreed chronology?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Have the other parties seen it?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The other parties have seen it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are probably not in a position to agree it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The next is another authority, &lt;i style=""&gt;R (on the application of Henshall) v General Medical Council [2005] EWCA Civ 1520&lt;/i&gt;, if that could be C4.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;(Document handed)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Finally a one page but two-sided document which is an additional judgment in the case of &lt;i style=""&gt;Henshall&lt;/i&gt; dated 31 January 2006, C5.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;(Document handed)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, as you know from the skeleton arguments produced by Mr Forde and Mr Foster, the essential submission in this case is based on delay in that what they are saying is that as a result of delay these proceedings should not be permitted to continue because they violate the rights of the doctors, they violate their rights contrary to Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights to a hearing within a reasonable time and/or are an abuse of process under the common law.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;What I have sought to do in my skeleton argument, first of all, is to set out the legal framework for you and the differences between Article 6(1) and the common law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have set out there that there is a distinction between Article 6 and the common law in that Article 6(1) is concerned with procedural delay in the course of proceedings whereas the common law is concerned with delay between the commission of the allegedly wrongful actions and the commencement of the proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Therefore in this case the common law test would apply from 1992.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Under Article 6(1), the starting point in disciplinary proceedings, as I think is accepted, is the date of the letter notifying the doctor of the allegations as indicated in the &lt;i style=""&gt;General Medical Council v Pembury [2002] Lloyds Rep Med 434&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The date for the purposes of Article 6 in this case would be 2001.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Obviously in assessing the reasonableness of any delay regard must be had under the ECHR to the complexity of the case, the applicant’s conduct and the manner in which the matter was dealt with by the administrative and judicial authorities.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is essential for you to look at this case because cases need to be assessed on an individual basis and the courts have made clear that the threshold is high before it can be said in any particular case that a period of delay is unreasonable.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;That is the first question to assess and ask yourselves under Article 6, whether the period of delay has been unreasonable and that applies from 2001.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Just going on to indicate how to approach the Article 6 question, I have indicated in paragraph 5 of my argument that where a public authority, and of course the GMC is a public authority, has caused or permitted delay such as to amount to a breach of the right under Article 6(1) to a hearing within a reasonable time, there is necessarily then a breach of Article 6(1).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, what is important is this.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In the &lt;i style=""&gt;Attorney General’s Reference (No 2 of 2001) [2004] 2 AC 72&lt;/i&gt;, Lord Bingham said if there is such a breach: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“… there must be afforded an appropriate remedy, but it would not be appropriate to stay or dismiss the proceedings unless (a) there can no longer be a fair hearing, or (b) it would otherwise be unfair to try the defendant.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Obviously this was dealing with criminal cases but it is a simple principle.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The public interest in the final determination of criminal charges requires that such a charge should not be stayed or dismissed if any lesser remedy will be just and proportionate in all the circumstances.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;What that means is that it is not necessary to show prejudice to establish a breach of the right to trial within a reasonable time, but it is necessary, and this is key, the Council would say, to show that it is not possible to have a fair trial, or that it would not be fair to try the accused if the proceedings are to be stayed as an abuse, and such cases will be exceptional and it is for the defence for the doctors in this case to prove on a balance of probabilities that a fair trial is not possible or it would not be fair to try the accused.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the legal framework as far as Article 6 is concerned in the submission of the Council and of course Mr and Mrs Henshall for whom I also act.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have then set out the common law position.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I have already said to you, the common law is concerned with delay from the outset and goes up to the commencement of the proceedings, so the delay would be subject to common law considerations from 1997 through until 2001 and beyond of course; that is where it overlaps with the Article 6 arguments.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have set out in paragraph 7 the common law principles relating to cases in which it is contended there has been an unjustifiable delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The relevant decision as far as common law delay is concerned is another &lt;i style=""&gt;Attorney General’s Reference&lt;/i&gt; but this is &lt;i style=""&gt;No 1 of 1990 [1992] QB 630&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have just summarised the rationale of that decision:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt 68.4pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;1.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;A stay should never be imposed where the delay has been caused by the complexity of the proceedings&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt 68.4pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;2.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It would be rare for a stay to be imposed in the absence of fault on the part of the prosecutor or complainant.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt 68.4pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;3.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Delay contributed to by the actions of the defendant should not found the basis of a stay.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 50.4pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt 68.4pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;4.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In order to succeed, the burden and standard of proof are the same.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The defendant must show on the balance of probabilities that, owing to the delay, he will suffer prejudice to the extent that no fair trial can be held, and lastly of importance, the GMC would say, in the context of these proceedings,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 50.4pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt 68.4pt; text-indent: -18pt;"&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;5.&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;!--[endif]--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The prejudice the defendant must show is prejudice that cannot be cured by appropriate rulings during the hearing.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 50.4pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;To summarise the position as I understand it, the difference between Article 6.1 and the common law is that there is no need to show prejudice to establish a breach of the right to a trial within a reasonable time under Article 6.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is a need to show prejudice under the common law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, in both cases there is an important overlap in that it is necessary in both cases to show that no fair trial can be held.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have cited there an authority in relation to the common law but I will come back to deal with that at a later stage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Could I just deal with the case of &lt;i style=""&gt;John Rogers&lt;/i&gt; which was a first instance decision of the PCC, your document D1-D.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is a case that is in fact referred to by the editors of &lt;i style=""&gt;Fitness to Practise Healthcare Regulatory Law Principle and Process&lt;/i&gt; at paragraph 18-019.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Really what the authors are saying is that little benefit is to be derived from describing these decisions and relying upon them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It says:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The case of Dr Rogers is sometimes cited at the General Medical Council as a decision that should be taken to reflect the Preliminary Proceedings Committee’s views on the issue of delay and reasonable time in medical disciplinary cases.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It points out:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“It has never been submitted to judicial scrutiny and is not obviously reported because of the nature of the decision.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It indicates that:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Although this decision was cited in &lt;i style=""&gt;Haikel v General Medical Council [2002] UKPC 37&lt;/i&gt;, it is submitted that little weight can be attached to it because the full facts on which the decision turned are not known.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;There is little weight, the Council would say, to be attached to that decision which of course in any event pre-dated the Attorney General’s Reference No 2 of 2001 to which I have referred in paragraph 5.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Council’s submission would be that that is not a decision that should influence you in your consideration of this particular case.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, having dealt with the legal framework, as I understand it, and I know the Legal Assessor will advise you in due course as to how to approach the law, I have then gone on to attempt to apply those principles as I understand them to the facts of this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I have done in my skeleton argument at page 2 onwards is I have divided up the different periods of time in this case into these periods: 1992-1997, 1997-2001 and 2001-2008.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Article 6 only comes into play in 2001.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The reason I have divided it up in this way is that 1992-1997 is the period before any complaint was made to the General Medical Council.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What the Council would say, and indeed on behalf of the Henshalls as well in relation to this period of time is that there was no unreasonable delay on the complainants’ part, because we are only talking about the complainants at this point in time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I say that for these reasons:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The Henshalls’ children who, as you know, were both born prematurely and entered into the CNEP trial, were born in 1992.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The dates are there in paragraph 9 for you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Patient 7 was born on 12 February 1992 and Patient 6 on 14 December 1992.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As you know, Patient 7 died just over 60 hours after her birth and Patient 6 was subsequently found to have cerebral palsy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In fact, and this comes from Dr Stimmler’s report, it was not until 18 March 1994 that an adequate assessment of Patient 6’s neurological function was carried out.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That gives you an indication of the state of knowledge of the parents, the complainants.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 1.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Following on from the diagnosis of cerebral palsy, the Henshalls had then to make their own investigations about what had happened. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;They now have considerable knowledge about the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In fact the Court of Appeal judgment, to which I will refer later, describes Mrs Henshall’s knowledge of the case as encyclopaedic.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was not the position in 1994 when they were ordinary non‑medically qualified parents. It was only in the course of pursuing civil proceedings that they came to hear and learn more about the treatment their children had received.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They only discovered, they say, in 1997 that their daughters had been part of that trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I make the point here that of course you have heard no evidence and should not in the council’s submission be prejudging it at this stage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But that, on the face of it, is what the Henshalls say.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They say that after meeting with the chairman of the Ethics Committee and after a meeting, I think subsequently, with Dr Spencer on 18 March 1997, they wrote their letter of complaint to the GMC, which is in the bundles before you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is dated 27 April 1997.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Therefore, it is said on their behalf and the council’s behalf that there was no unreasonable delay in this period.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In any event, any delay was not such as to cause serious prejudice to the extent that no fair trial could be held.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You may think that Dr Spencer would undoubtedly have been aware of the potential civil proceedings in relation to Patient 6 and would have been able to collate and preserve evidence in relation to her and her involvement in the trial, as would the solicitors acting in those proceedings. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You also, Sir ‑ and this is where I will mention to you the case of &lt;i&gt;R v Smolinski&lt;/i&gt;, which is C3 in the documents that I handed to you ‑ need to take this case into account in the submission of the council because this makes clear that any application for a stay based on delay in reporting misconduct, and that is what we are talking about here, should not be made at the outset of the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will see from the head note on the first page of the authority that the appellant in this case was charged with offences of indecent assault.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These offences were first reported to the police some 20 years later.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;An application was made on his behalf to stay the proceedings for abuse of process,&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the submission being that he could not receive a fair trial as a result of delay, and ‑ and this is something being alleged in this case ‑ that he would be prejudiced by lack of memory because of the time that had elapsed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The trial judge in this case came to the conclusion that on the balance of probabilities it had not been shown that a fair trial was impossible.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The appeal in this case was successful for different reasons, but what was said in this case was that applications to stay proceedings based on abuse of process where there had been delay had become prevalent, but should be discouraged.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was indicated that in the normal way it was better not to make an application based on abuse of process. About six lines from the bottom of page 661, it was said:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 19.85pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Unless the case was exceptional, the application would be unsuccessful.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If an application were to be made to a judge, the best time for doing so was after any evidence had been called and for the judge then, having scrutinised the evidence with particular care, to come to a conclusion whether or not it was safe for the matter to be left to the jury.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was a particularly helpful course if there was a danger of inconsistencies between the witnesses of the sort that; it was common ground, had occurred in this case”. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The council says that that is the approach that you should adopt in this case in relation to this period of time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, it may well be the case that by 1997 any prejudice that either of these doctors had suffered might have occurred by that stage in time, although obviously with the passage of time the point can be made that the longer the time the more memories may fade.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I now deal with the second period of time that I have identified in my skeleton argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is 1997 to 2001.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This period is still governed by the common law, therefore again it is necessary for the doctors to show on a balance of probabilities that they will suffer serious prejudice to the extent that no fair trial can be held.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course I accept that the GMC have subsequently apologised to the doctors for the delay in this period and indeed in the latter period to which I shall come.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not seeking to go behind that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, the point needs to be made in the council’s submission and on behalf of the Henshalls, that there would inevitably have been some delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I say that because of the nature of the case. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;As I have set out in paragraph 11 of the skeleton argument, Mr and Mrs Henshall were not alone in complaining about the trial. Complaints were also made against other doctors involved in the trial, including Dr Southall.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The GMC had to investigate a number of complaints in a clinical trial that involved 244 patients, so it was a complex and serious case. The chronology has been supplied to you to show that it was not the case that nothing was happening between 1997 and 2001.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You might have been left with the impression that nothing was happening.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But you can see that inquiries and investigations were occurring during that period of time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Also, it is not necessarily wrong to say that the outcome of the other inquiries was something of an irrelevance because those other inquiries, such as the Griffiths inquiry, may have revealed evidence that was relevant to the trial and to the doctors` conduct.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So you can see that inquiries were being made during that period of time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;However, even if you are to conclude that, as the GMC has accepted in correspondence, that some of the delay was excessive in that period of time, that is not enough.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The delay in this period of time between 1997 and 2001 has to have caused serious prejudice such that no fair trial can be held. The council would say that is fair trial can be held because of the procedural safeguards in the hearing process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have referred to that in paragraph 13 of my skeleton argument, where I have set out that there are procedural safeguards in the hearing process itself; namely, the burden and standard of proof and the assistance of the Legal Assessor who can advise about the admissibility of evidence or the weight that should be attached to it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have also indicated that this is a case where a considerable amount of documentation relating to the trial has been retained.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Southall kept his material.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is what he has indicated in various articles that have appeared over the years.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So a lot of documentation that is relevant to the allegations is available.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I come then to 2001 to 2008.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, I just propose to go through the chronology in this period, not the chronology that I have handed to you but the chronology as I have set it out at page 3 of the skeleton argument and paragraphs 14 to 19 because this case has taken an unusual course.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think that it is sometimes difficult to take on board the exact chronology of events.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I want to ensure that we all know what occurred when.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So the first screening of the complaints took place in 2001.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was on 30 March 2001 that the GMC wrote to Drs Spencer and Samuels enclosing affidavits by Dr and Mrs Henshall, and you have been told, although you have not seen those ‑ that is an example of having only seen part of the material and not all of it ‑ those affidavits were sworn on 1 November 2000.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The doctors’ comments were invited on them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They responded; their representatives responded.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As and Mr and Mrs Henshall are the complainants in the case ‑ this is an old rules case ‑ they were entitled to a copy of the doctors` responses and to make their own comments on them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That again explains that part of the essential process of referral in itself takes some time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Thereafter the cases of each doctor were considered by the GMC screeners, and in Dr Spencer’s case by the Preliminary Proceedings Committee.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Spencer was informed by letter dated 28 January 2002 that the PPC had decided to not to refer his case to the Professional Conduct Committee.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Samuels was informed by letter, I think dated 15 March 2002 that the screeners had decided not to refer the complaint against him to the PCC, so the proceedings at this stage stopped at an earlier point in relation to Dr Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Then on 2 May 2002, the GMC wrote to both doctors ‑ again you have seen this ‑ informing them that Mr and Mrs Henshall had written challenging the GMC`s decisions and that in the course of investigating this challenge, the GMC discovered that because of an oversight over 1600 pages of documents submitted by Mr and Mrs Henshall in support of their allegations against the doctors, had been omitted from the case papers provided both to the screener and to the PCC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was therefore proposed that the decisions of the screener and the PCC should be taken afresh.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is then common ground that there was quite an exchange of correspondence which in itself took quite some time between the GMC and those representing the doctors between the legality of reconsidering the allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, the GMC decided to do so in fairness to the complainants, whose fault it was not that these documents had not been considered.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On 28 January 2004, as you see from paragraph 17, both doctors were informed that Mr and Mrs Henshall`s complaint had been referred to the PPC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Then on 12 March 2004 the doctors were informed that the PPC having considered that material had decided not to refer the allegations to the PCC on the basis that there was no real prospect of proving serious professional misconduct. A similar decision was taken in relation to the allegations against Dr Southall.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mrs Henshall then applied for permission to claim judicial review in respect of the PPC’s decision not to refer her and her husband’s complaints against all three doctors,&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;so that is Drs Southall, Samuels and Spencer to the PCC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Justice Pitchford refused her application.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, on 13 December 2005 the Court of Appeal, after hearing full argument, allowed her appeal. There were a couple of reasons for doing so.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One of which was that the PPC when deciding against referring the case purported to resolve disputed factual issues.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Following that, in which it was indicated that the only fair outcome was that the PPC should be reconstituted to do the job it had so far failed to do, on 2 November 2006 the Investigation Committee, sitting as the Preliminary Proceedings Committee referred the majority of the Henshalls’ allegations for hearing by a Fitness to Practise Panel. The case obviously then had to be investigated and listed for hearing, which the council would say was done within a reasonable time. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So the point in relation to the delay between 2001 and 2008 is this, although the delay in May 2002 to February 2004 was caused by the need to re‑open the case because of the error in the screener and the PPC not considering those 1600 pages of documents.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thereafter, there was not in fact any culpable delay because the Henshalls were pursuing judicial review, which they had every right to do.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As you know, the judgment, as you can see from the decision itself, which I will ask you just to take up a moment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is C4.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;That judgment was handed down on 13 December 2005.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That in fact was not the end of it because Miss O’Rourke went back to the Court of Appeal to argue further about this matter, and the final judgment is dated 31 January 2006.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So, as I indicated, it is by no means the case that there is culpable delay in this period, and the time after the referral in November 2006 obviously had to be taken up with gathering evidence in a form that could be presented to you in what was a complex matter. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinA" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In the submission of the Council, the judgment of the Court of Appeal is key to these applications that are based on delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I said, essentially, by a majority of two to one, the Court of Appeal held that the Preliminary Proceedings Committee had erred in law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It had erred in not allowing the complainants sight of Dr Southall’s responses and also, as I just indicated to you, in purporting to resolve disputed factual issues.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Can I just read to you a part of the headnote of the judgment, the second page of the report.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is the last paragraph of the headnote where it begins, “The only fair outcome”, towards the top of the page, the fourth paragraph at the top of the page where the Court of Appeal said:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The only fair outcome was that the PPC should be reconstituted in order to do the job it had so far failed to do.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It should make it clear first of all, that unless, unless [Dr Southall] agreed to let the complainants see his submissions, if necessary on suitable undertakings, the submissions would be put aside.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Secondly, it should act on the published literature only if, having considered the BMJ article alongside the [Griffiths] report, the [Hull] report and any other relevant material placed before it, it was satisfied that there was in sum no evidence capable of raising a question within section 11(2).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was not the PPC’s task to evaluate conflicting professional views of issues raised by the complaint.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Its final task was to apply, with whatever exegetic help it found useful, the test set by rule 11(2): whether the material advanced for and against the complaint raised a question whether one or more of the practitioners had committed serious professional misconduct.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In other words, the Court of Appeal were granting Mrs Henshall the relief that she had sought.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The point is that by the time this case comes before the Court of Appeal, there had already been considerable delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The doctors had been told twice that the case was not to proceed against them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The GMC had already apologised for the delay, and it is also quite apparent from this judgment that the Court of Appeal were aware of the delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I now refer you to paragraph 11 of Lord Justice Auld’s judgment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Paragraph 11 begins:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“There was considerable delay on the part of the GMC in responding to Mr and Mrs Henshall’s complaints.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Instead of proceeding to investigate the complaint through its established machinery, it decided to await the publication of the Griffiths Report, commissioned by the NHS Executive in February 1999.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;For these purposes I do not need to read on further.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I would like Ms Sullivan to read the whole paragraph.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So be it: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The panel’s terms of reference were ‘to look in the general framework for the both the approval and monitoring of clinical research projects in North Staffordshire, that is, to examine the design of trials, including the CNEP trial, as distinct from clinical issues arising from them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In relation to the CNEP trial, the main conclusion in the Griffiths Report published on 8 May 2000 (some ten years after the local ethics committee had approved it) was that its design did not match what would at the time of publication be considered best practice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Professor Griffiths also made it clear in the report that the Panel had not sought to determine the truth of allegations of poor practice or to apportion blame if practice could have been better, or to determine whether any actions taken at the end of the trial were wrong.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Can I then refer you to another paragraph in that report, paragraph 18, which is just on the next page.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Lord Justice Auld is dealing with the chronology.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In paragraph 17 he refers to the Hull report, but it is paragraph 18 that I wish to draw your attention to, and the fact that: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin-right: 36.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin-right: 36.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The GMC had yet to consider Mr and Mrs Henshall’s complaints”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr Foster quoted to you in paragraph 76 of this judgment, so perhaps we could turn forward to paragraph 76. Lord Justice Auld was the dissenting judge.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Having rejected the ground of appeal referred to, he said at paragraph 76:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“In consequence, I would dismiss the appeal.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I add that, given the considerable lapse of time, 13 years, since the CNEP trial and the considerable body of medical exploration that it has engendered to little or no identifiable advantage to Mr and Mr Henshall’s complaints, and to much unjustified professional disruption and personal distress of the doctors, I would, in event have been inclined to refuse relief in the exercise of my discretion.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I quote you that because it shows that delay was very much in the mind of the court. Although this was the dissenting judgment, this was the lead judgment in that the other two lord Justices agreed with Lord Justice Auld’s factual analysis, but they differed in their conclusion because they said the case should go back for consideration by the PPC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;What follows from that is that the majority in the Court of Appeal were fully aware of the delay, fully aware of the distress to the doctors, and yet, nonetheless, they exercised their discretion to remit the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They have to decide whether it is equitable to grant relief.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not automatic and, therefore, prejudice is very much part of their considerations.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Could I make reference to the court’s discretion in relation to judicial review.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is referred to in the White Book at 54‑1‑10 which, in relation to the court’s discretion, says:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Even if the claimant, [the Henshalls] establishes one of the grounds of judicial review, the court is not bound to grant a remedy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The remedies are discretionary and, whilst a court will usually grant an appropriate remedy if the claimant establishes that the public body has acted unlawfully, there are cases where the courts may decline to grant a remedy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Grounds for refusing to grant a remedy include the following: where there was undue delay in making a claim but the courts have extended the time limits, the courts may still refuse a remedy if granting a remedy would cause substantial hardship to or substantially prejudice the rights of any person or would be detrimental to good administration.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So the court has a discretion, which was exactly what Miss O’Rourke, who was instructed on this appeal on behalf of Drs Spencer and Samuels, went back to the Court of Appeal to do.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;If you just go to the reverse of the judgment of 31 January 2006, you will see in the first paragraph, five lines down, that at the request of Miss O’Rourke on behalf of Drs Spencer and Samuels, the court had reconvened to reconsider, in the case of those doctors, whether it has, and if so whether, it should exercise a discretion to remit.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Having heard arguments they did not change their minds.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The reason they did not is because, as Miss O’Rourke said to you at the outset of these applications, even though there has been what she described as inordinate and inexcusable delay, Dr Southall can have a fair trial, so can Drs Spencer and Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;With the exception of the specific allegations in relation to Dr Spencer, which relate to Patient 6, all the doctors face the same allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are just fewer of them in the case of Dr Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So if Dr Southall can have a fair trial, so indeed can they.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The reason they can is because there is no prejudice of a degree to prevent that happening.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;If I can just go through some of the points that were made on the question of prejudice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course recollections can fade with time, but that can be dealt with in the hearing process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In any case, where there is delay, the Legal Assessor has to direct you about the effects of delay and how to approach it, so there is the safeguard for the doctors.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Reference has been made to what were the standards at the time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The experts will tell you, and point you to, what the standards were at the time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is what they have been asked to address in their reports.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are publications which indicate what the standards were at the time.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You will hear from a number of witnesses who those instructing have managed to trace.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They will be called and will give evidence, obviously to the best of their recollections.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As was demonstrated yesterday, their evidence is by no means entirely unfavourable to the doctors in this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are therefore able to defend the allegations despite the length of time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think I am right in saying that no particular missing witness has been specified in the arguments put before you.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I think Mr Foster yesterday quoted one witness who made a statement ten years previously, so there are earlier, more contemporaneous recollections in some cases in any event.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I said, the documentation from the trial, including correspondence from the ethics committee and correspondence between the doctors, has been retained.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will be hearing from a witness called Barbara Cannings from North Staffordshire who began work there it is right to say in 1994, but she says she first became aware of the CNEP trial when the Griffiths inquiry started.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At that time, because of the Griffiths inquiry, she was asked to locate and photocopy all the local research ethics committee papers in connection with the CNEP trial and supply those to the Griffiths inquiry.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is what she did and we have those papers for you, together with all the scoring sheets which were retained and have been obtained through Dr Southall. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We also have the medical notes for Patient 6.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have a file of those which have been retained for some time, no doubt because of the proposed civil proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think I am right in saying that the only item that has been identified as missing, and I agree this is missing, is the ultrasounds for the patient.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What we have are the radiologists’ written reports in the records of those ultrasounds.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is the content of those reports that the Council are saying should have been communicated to Mr and Mrs Henshall.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You have also seen some of the letters that have been written on behalf of the doctors over the years responding to the various allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They have been able to respond in some detail to them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So, the Council would say, there is not such prejudice as to prevent the holding of a fair trial because of delay.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have already referred to you to the Legal Assessor advising on delay and how to approach it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He will also advise, where appropriate, about the admissibility of evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The doctors are also protected by the burden and standard of proof.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The burden is on the Council and the complainants, and the standard of proof in this case is the criminal standard ‑‑ you have to be sure before you can find any allegations proved.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a high burden and standard and a great protection for the doctors concerned.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You also have within the hearing process the fact that the rules provide for submissions being made at appropriate stages.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is then, the Council say, that you should consider the adequacy and strength of the evidence, not now when you have not even seen it in any form at all.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is for you to consider and evaluate the competing expert opinions to which I referred earlier.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will be hearing from three experts in the course of this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They will not all say the same about certain matters and it will be for you to determine whose expertise you prefer in any given case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, the Legal Assessor will advise you, but you are not obliged to accept expert evidence, again another safeguard in the hearing process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Had this case been without foundation, as seemed to be claimed this morning, or in part without foundation, it is open to anyone under the rules to apply for cancellation of the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is not something that has occurred in this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is power under rule 19 in the rules in relation to that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The Council’s submission in relation to the points made by Mr Foster are that it is not the correct time now for you to consider the merits of the case when the application was in fact put before you yesterday on the basis of delay, saying that, in so far as the merits of the case were concerned, that should affect you in exercising your discretion and indicates motive.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How can you judge motive without hearing or seeing the evidence in the case?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How can you properly take that into account in exercising your discretion?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The Council’s submission in relation to that is that that is not something that you should take into account at this stage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;An application has not been made as to there being insufficient evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As the Legal Assessor said, were such an application to have been made it would be necessary for you to see it all, but that is not the way in which it has been approached.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was just raised this morning prompted by a two paragraph piece of paper indicating some matters raised by Dr Stimmler which I think in any event are referred to elsewhere, but so be it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is not the way in which this application has been put and it is, in the Council’s submission, not appropriate to take into account the merits of the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The rules provide for that at other stages.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Questions were also raised yesterday really in relation to the charges about what do they relate to and it seemed to be suggested that the defence did not know what the case was.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example, Mr Forde said well, what is the Council saying about blood pressure?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He knows what the Council are saying about blood pressure because he has Dr Stimmler’s report.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Stimmler, at page 18 of his report, when asked to comment about whether Patient 6 was appropriately monitored, Dr Stimmler says that he could not see one blood pressure measurement which, in an infant that was being ventilated and has respiratory distress syndrome, represents a poor standard of care.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is possible that blood pressures might have been recorded on some sheets that I have not been able to discover, but blood pressure measurements are certainly part of the protocol of the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He knows what is being said, that there are no blood pressure measurements recorded in the notes for this child.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is not what is being said.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I hesitate to interrupt, but I am asking, and I make this absolutely clear, for periods to be identified between 14 December when this child was born and 7 January.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is conspicuous by its absence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;All we have here is a suggestion that whilst the child was ventilated was but for a few hours during that period there were no blood pressure measurements.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am grateful to my learned friend for indicating that this doctor appears to countenance there being notes he has not seen, because that is a concern of ours that there might have been one or two but those could have been lost.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We still do not have chapter and verse in relation to the specific periods and we are still awaiting that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It makes it difficult for us to know what case we have to meet.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The other point is my learned friend well knows that this report was drafted before the charges of 8 April and since the end of March Dr Stimmler has been suggesting that he could not support his original contentions in relation to the taking of blood pressures and he required that the charge be slightly narrowed from that which was originally proposed. We got that yesterday from 28 March attendance notes.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Not in relation to blood pressure.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was in relation to hypoxia.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;His position is clear from that report that there are no blood pressure readings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was also the position, as Mr Forde will be aware, when civil proceedings were in train because the notes were looked at then in relation to this child, so that is way back.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, I was just dealing with that issue in relation to the charge raised by Mr Forde.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Can I now deal with the points that were raised in Mr Foster’s skeleton argument about the number of people required for consent.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have referred Mr Foster to the evidence in this case which is that in the limb of the trial carried out at Queen Charlotte’s Hospital, one day, Dr Raine, took consent except when he was on leave or away for some reason.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We know that in North Staffordshire 34 people were involved in taking consent for babies to enter this trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We know that because Dr Southall carried out an audit of how many people had been involved and that many people had been involved covering a whole span, as you can imagine, of clinicians.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;To say in the light of that that too many people have been involved in consent I think makes quite clear what the Council’s position is and really the key to it, as I am sure Mr Foster realises, is this, that in order for any doctors to be consenting patients, especially for a trial, they need to be adequately trained, and so therefore it is not a case of being able to specify an exact number; it is a case of saying to Mr Foster that really what should have happened is something more akin to what happened in Queen Charlotte’s where a senior doctor was involved in the consent-taking process.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Those in fact yesterday were the essential complaints about the lack of specificity of the charges, so the Council would say they have been answered and they can be answered.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not really something again that you need to take into account on this or should take into account on this application.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The matter of Dr Samuels’ involvement as the administrator was raised yesterday and in the opinion of Dr Nicholson, Dr Samuels’ assistance to Dr Southall in this trial, which was a considerable involvement – he was very senior at the time and it was not long before he became a consultant himself – that included an acceptance and sharing of all responsibilities relating to the trial which would include responsibility not for actually obtaining consent, but for ensuring that there were procedures in place to obtain parental consent, because that is what is alleged in relation to all of the doctors in this case.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;There are two other matters that the Council would say are not relevant to your considerations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The point was made on behalf of Dr Samuels that he had had no opportunity to deal with some of the allegations or an allegation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Can I remind Mr Foster of the rules.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Rule 11(2) of the Old Rules entitles the solicitor or the complainant where a case has been referred to include further allegations in the charge if such evidence emerges in the course of the investigation, even when they have not been referred to the PPC or form part of the subject of a determination by the PPC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no requirement that Dr Samuels has to be given an opportunity to respond to any allegations that are contained within the Notice of Hearing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In any event, you may wonder whether the allegation that was quoted is really so different in any event from the one which was originally included.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Lastly on the question of what you should take into account, the Council would say the references to the five-year rule are not relevant because it does not apply to this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This case is governed by the rules that were extant at the time it was instituted; the rules are not retrospective in operation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That has to be right, sir, because otherwise that would have been advanced in the Court of Appeal and dealt with by them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You have the judgment which you will be able to read.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no mention of it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Really what it amounts to is this.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No case should be stayed or stopped on grounds of delay unless it amounts to an abuse of the process, so unless a fair hearing is impossible.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no prejudice here that cannot be accommodated by the trial process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think Mr Foster used the expression “an affront to justice” that the doctors were told that the case was not going ahead.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, the Henshalls had every right to challenge the decision-making process, and not only had they the right to do that, they did it successfully.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Just think of the consequences of saying a case cannot go ahead because the doctors have been told by the GMC that they are not pursuing it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It would prevent the courts – the Court of Appeal in this case – giving the remedy that they gave to the Henshalls.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those representing the doctors would be fully aware that that is something that can occur, that decisions can be judicially reviewed, and you must think that it would follow from that that these doctors must have been advised of that possibility.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;At the end of the day the Court of Appeal, by sending this case back, have determined themselves that it was not an affront to justice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They rejected Miss O’Rourke’s submissions that they should exercise their discretion to refuse a remedy because of the delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That, you may consider, is key to Miss O’Rourke now on behalf of Dr Southall indicating she is not instructed to argue that these proceedings are an abuse.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That speaks volumes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are not an abuse because these doctors can have a fair trial because there is no prejudice that cannot be dealt with within the trial process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is very much in the public interest that these allegations, about which Mr and Mrs Henshall understandably feel very strongly, be heard.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, that is the response that I would make on their behalf and on behalf of the GMC to the application that has been made on behalf of these doctors.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Thank you very much, Ms Sullivan.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Do any Panel Members wish to ask any points of clarification?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DR OKITIKPI:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You just said that the prejudice can be dealt with.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think you meant prejudice cannot be dealt with?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If there is prejudice it can be dealt with within the trial process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is what I meant to say certainly.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DR SHELDON: &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;You have not, as far as I heard, dealt with Mr Forde’s comment in his paragraph 3.16 that these ten complaints that the Henshalls brought, which is what the Appeal Court was considering, most of them are not now being dealt with, so does that make a difference the number of complaints made by the Henshalls that are now actually on the charge sheet?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In my submission it would not make any difference to the principle.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In practice one could say that because there are fewer allegations there is likely to be less prejudice to the doctors and so to that extent it is helpful to them that there are fewer allegations that they have to meet, otherwise it would not, in the Council’s submission, be a material consideration for you at this stage as to whether to stay these proceedings or not.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That would be the way in which I would respond to that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am sure the Legal Assessor will advise you also as to how to approach it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Do you concede that there is any unjustifiable delay by the GMC within Article 6?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They themselves have conceded that there was excessive delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I said at one point, I am not seeking to go behind that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;All I am seeking to say is that when they have said there has been excessive delay, they have not actually said there is excessive delay throughout.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are still saying that there would have been reasons for delay but I accept that they have said that there is excessive delay and that must apply to the part of the time covered by Article 6, though not its entirety.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then it becomes important to know what the period of delay is that is excessive or culpable, and then, if there is culpable delay by a public authority, it has to be marked somehow.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Forde’s point is that one cannot mark it as one would in a criminal trial by a reduction in sentence or something like that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not necessarily agree with that submission that he has made.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Delay is something that could be taken into account by a panel in a variety of ways at a variety of different stages.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Could I ask for something to be stated on the record?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I want to know whether my learned friend has specific instructions from the General Medical Council that, in cases involving delay, it is appropriate for a panel such as this to impose a lesser sanction than they otherwise would have done.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the point I am making.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I quite accept that the learned Legal Assessor can give guidance in relation to delay and the submissions of no case can be made, but specific to sanction.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We would all be very interested to know, not only for this case but in future cases, whether the General Medical Council’s position is in old cases that you as a panel could impose a lesser sanction by reason of delay?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have no specific instructions in relation to that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I was merely thinking out loud in relation to it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think the point that I would make is that it is not enough for there to be excessive delay and therefore a breach of Article 6.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is still necessary to go on, as I have set out in the legal framework, to consider whether a fair trial can be held.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Certainly a breach of Article 6 does not necessarily make the case hit the buffers, but the indications are that some marker that there has been a breach should be given and some of the cases say the mere finding is sufficient vindication of the person’s rights.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I would just like to identify so that one can go on to that what would be the periods which you certainly would accept were unreasonable or excessive in this context.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Any delay caused by the oversight in submitting 1600 pages is presumably culpable?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That would embrace all the time devoted to trying to sort out the legal ramifications.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think I have tried to identify that at some stage.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Is the fact then that the Preliminary Proceedings Panel got it wrong culpable delay and anything flowing from that?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It does not seem to me right that that should be culpable delay because it is an exercise of discretion, albeit they applied the wrong test the Court of Appeal found, but of course that is no fault of the doctors, but it is part of the decision-making process that can be cured by an appeal.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I would have thought that was part of the judicial process. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is something that I would like to hear Mr Foster on later.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Forde, no doubt you have a response.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;I do.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only question is whether you want to hear it now or after a coffee break.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I was going to suggest that we have a break now and come back at half eleven. We will hear from you then.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(The Panel adjourned for a short time)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I wanted to correct something that I said earlier.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have been told that there is a document suggesting that Mr and Mrs Henshall knew about their children being involved in a trial by 20 March 1996.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not know how soon before they knew, but I think that it is important to indicate that to you, so that the position is not in any way misrepresented.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;The date you mentione was?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;I am being told 20 March 1996.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think that I said 1997. There is a document suggesting that they knew by that stage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you very much.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I deal with the last point.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As you are aware, we are incredulous at the suggestion that this family did not know that Patient 6 was involved in a CNEP trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As you know, her sibling died ten months before, and the appearance of the equipment should have made it manifestly obvious.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is an issue.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Be that as it may, I deal firstly with what my learned friend said about the law, and then I will deal with some of her submissions about the prejudice that we clearly were experiencing. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We are now agreed that, so far as time is concerned, under Article 6 the General Medical Council first indicated to these doctors in 2001 that they were interested in them potentially facing charges.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have dealt with that in my skeleton argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is 3.4, 30 March 2001.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the time from which we say the Article 6 delay arises, so you have something over seven years.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It cannot be right that the deficiencies of the General Medical Council in relation to the 1600 pages of documents and their inability to control the Preliminary Proceedings Committee in a way that was satisfactory to the Court of Appeal can count against this doctor; so the whole matter, as a matter of fact, should be included as far as Article 6 delay is concerned, in my submission to you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At best, the procedural shenanigans could be regarded as neutral, but you will be aware of the fact ‑ this is paragraph 4 of C1, Miss Sullivan’s skeleton argument ‑ that under the ECHR in assessing the reasonableness of any delay, regard must be had to the complexity of the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is said to be a complex case; we do not accept that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The applicant’s conduct ‑ here you do not have any conduct on the part of the doctors which the General Medical Council are advancing in support of any submission that we have contributed to the inordinate delay in this case; Ms Sullivan was entirely silent on that issue. And, most importantly, the manner in which the matter was dealt with by the administrative, here authorities.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You assess, we quite accept, the reasonableness of the duration on a case-by-case basis.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have always accepted that the threshold is high, and that the burden of proof is on us on a balance of probabilities.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Simply put, no professional within or without this room, would relish the prospect of dealing with allegations as old as these.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The real deficiency of the General Medical Council was, when it realised in 1997 that a complaint had been made, to sit on the case that was by then already approaching five years old.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If ever there was a case that should have been dealt with with alacrity, it was this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;My initial bundle, which is D(a1) indicates 18 March 1997, nearly five years on.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is clear from the second paragraph, the meeting having been arranged by Dr Hughes, who is not a witness in the case, it should be noted that until the morning of 18 March 1997 Dr Spencer did not appreciate that the case was the subject of ongoing medical/legal proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So to suggest, as my learned friend does, that the Henshalls, I believe, having indicated ‑ we have not see the documentation ‑ that they were interested in pursuing legal proceedings in 1994 or 1995, could have caused my client, who would never have been sued in an individual capacity anyway, to scurry around the medical records department, scanning departments, retrieving nursing rotas, clinical rotas, outpatients rotas and the like is frankly nonsensical.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He, as I indicated ‑ this will now be approaching eight years after the application, which was made in November 1989 ‑ was unaware of the fact that this was being contemplated.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As a matter of form the responsibility of defending the proceedings would have been that of North Staffordshire, the doctor then I think would be covered by Crown indemnity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is believed that some of the notes may have done missing as a result of the Trust’s solicitors’ involvement with the Henshalls.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think they have instructed several,&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;and, as you know, several experts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So that is not a point that can be taken against this doctor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is quite clear that matters have progressed in a way that was not expected at the time the initial concerns were notified.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It ill behoves the General Medical Council to suggest that the recently drawn allegations...&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I remind you that they are April of this year; the witness statements we have been served predominantly date from the last couple of months of 2007 and early 2008, whereas Mr Foster indicated many witnesses simply say they cannot remember.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So, as far as the common law is concerned, my submission is that you look at the whole of the period and ask whether a fair hearing can be conducted at this distance in time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;One of my main submissions that does not appear to have been answered by the GMC is to be found in my paragraph 1.5.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This a very serious proposition on my part. The point I make is that it does not really matter whether some of the notes are available; we believe that minutes of ethical committee meetings are missing, despite what is said by an employee of the Trust who says that she gathered documentation together for the Griffiths inquiry in 2000.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You know, and it is an agreed fact, that she did not start working in the Trust until 1994.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are talking about applications in 1989 approved in 1990.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The difficulty ‑ and it is my submission this is a difficulty which is manifest in the Stimmler attendance notes that we have ‑ is in recalling, as I have put it, “subtleties, nuances and prevailing medical culture”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There will always be a risk of those called on behalf of the General Medical Council trying their level best to reconstruct events ‑ and we know that human memory fails.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those of us who used to practise in the county court regularly encountered the following scenario: witness interviewed by police officer; heard bang, turned around, saw cyclist’s front wheel under car; did not witness accident.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He comes to court three years later and saw the cyclist being knocked off by the driver of the car.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Human memory plays tricks.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the reason for the five‑year rule.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have said that none will be able to without consciously or unconsciously importing into their evidence acquired knowledge or current views and values.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That, in my submission, is an undisputed fact.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is of interest that in the Court of Appeal case with Lord Justice Woolf, as he then was, presiding in the case of &lt;i&gt;R v Smolinski,&lt;/i&gt; they decided that they were going to try to put an end to the industry of alleged sex offenders, saying, “This all happened so long ago I cannot remember whether I indecently assaulted these two young women or not”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a million miles away from the position here where you have health professionals doing their level best in front of their regulatory body to reconstruct events.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I maintain that the approach you should adopt in a case such as this is the one I have set out in my skeleton argument, I think under section 5.1. The &lt;i&gt;Dyer v Watson&lt;/i&gt; approach is the one that on behalf of Dr Spencer I would commend to you. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is all well and good for the criminal courts to suggest that you listen to the evidence of young children and then decide, now adults, whether or not they can be believed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is not something that is important here.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is a case where we are concerned about missing documentation and the prevailing culture of the time, where an alleged sexual offender is being prosecuted, and one is thinking of a case which is 56, 26 or 30 years after the event, the prevailing culture has always been that one does not indecently assault young children.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;What the court decided at the end of &lt;i&gt;Smolinsky&lt;/i&gt;, which you have as C3, is:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 19.85pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“As this Court appreciates, it is sometimes very difficult for young children to speak about these matters and therefore it is only many years later that they come to light”. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Therefore, in my submission, that case does not assist you at all.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Similarly, in relation to the Court of Appeal judgment which you have as C4, a number of important comments were made by their Lordships.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I footnoted in my skeleton argument the fact that there were ten matters of complaints before their Lordships.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is at the bottom of page 9.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You now helpfully have them supplied to you by Miss Sullivan.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One, an allegation of deception. That is no longer maintained in relation to the local Ethics Committee.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was something which had been around in 1997.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We may have been able to do something about that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Performing unnecessary Caesarean sections specifically in order to ensure an adequate supply of premature neonatal babies for the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a scurrilous allegation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is no longer pursued, but one to which the doctors` minds were directed from 2001 onwards.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The forging of Mrs Henshall’s signature is no longer pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The informed consent matter is not pursued in quite the same way, and certainly not specific to the Henshalls.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Number five is no concern, from your perspective, regarding the other child and is no longer pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Number 6 is pursued, 7 is pursued, and 8, 9 and 10 are not, including a conspiracy to misreport post‑mortem results with a view to preventing any death being attributable to the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Conspicuous by its absence is any specific allegation as you now have here in relation to the ultrasound scans which causes a particular difficulty, the alleged hypoxia on a Tuesday in December 1992.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There does not appear at that time to have been placed before their Lordships the concerns about the inappropriate delegation to too many members of staff.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You know that Dr Stimmler does not support that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He says that babies are born 24 hours a day.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And there is nothing about surfactant, which is number eight, so far as the charges against Dr Spencer are concerned.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;What that means is that since we have had theses matters specified on 8 April and the draft charges and the Preliminary Proceedings Committee charges have changed dramatically over time, and you can see that by going through by bundle.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But it is only once we get the charges at this distance in time that we can really address our minds to likely witnesses and likely defences.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We might have broad themes, but not much beyond that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is where there is the real prejudice in terms of delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;It simply is not good enough to say that we should be able to find witnesses now.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Suggesting that we have not identified any particular witness who is dead, deceased or incompetent, again, as a matter of common sense, this number of years after the event is nothing to the point.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is a bit like saying, “Where did you lose your keys?”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you knew that they would not be lost. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;We cannot remember all the main actors in this trial at this distance in time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We might have been able to in the middle or early 1990s.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is clear that Lord Justice Auld was critical of the delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is why I required Ms Sullivan to read the whole of paragraph 11.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you read paragraph 17, he is setting out the Hull and Griffiths inquiries and the timing of those.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is my submission as an aside that the public interest has been more than satisfied by those two inquiries, and there is no real public interest in continuing with this one.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The judge says this at paragraph 18:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 19.85pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Meanwhile, the GMC had yet to consider Mr and Mrs Henshall`s complaints”. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So they sat on it for something in excess of three years.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I maintain that criticism because I am more than happy to take you to certain aspects of the chronology that my learned friend has very helpfully supplied to you as C2.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It makes instructive reading.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In 1994, it would appear that the Henshalls were asking for an investigation of a medical negligence claim related to this trial and to the scans.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is something almost approaching 14 years ago.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In my submission, it is simply unsustainable to suggest that the time does not run in relation to, certainly, the latter paragraphs of our charge 18, 19 and 20, from then. The scans were forwarded to the expert ‑ as we know they are now missing ‑ as long ago as 19 December 1995.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, under the common law, we say that time clearly runs from then. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The GMC recorded a complaint at the top of page 2 on 28 April 1997.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For the next two or three years lot of letters are written, no action is taken, and in fact the GMC is entirely reliant on the North Staffordshire hospital to try to conduct bits and pieces of inquiries throughout 1999.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is clearly waiting, as it must have informed Lord Justice Auld, for the completion in December 2000 of the Griffiths report.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;That is an unacceptable position, that delay between 1997 and 2000, and highly prejudicial to my client against the background of the Henshalls taking nearly five years to make a complaint to the General Medical Council.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is also of interest to note, when my learned friend is indicating that the court had a discretion not to accede to the judicial review application if they were concerned about delay, clearly that was a concern of Lord Justice Auld, it is conspicuous by its absence in the judgments of the other two judges.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What they decided overall was the concern for them was the PPC applying a wrong test, weighing competing claims of Hey and Chalmers, without looking at the Griffiths report, and Dr Southall’s stance that he would not allow his comments to be disclosed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;That is why it is perfectly understandable that Miss O’Rourke, who at that time represented Drs Spencer and Samuels, effectively said that, “The main thrust of your judgment does not appear to concern my clients”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A very brief judgment was given suggesting, not only that the majority found reliance on the Hey and Chalmers article to be in error, but that may well have been, in terms of the articles, paragraph 2, something that loomed large in the consideration of the PPC and not in an insignificant way in respect of Dr Spencer and Dr Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The court said that the matter should be remitted with the utmost expedition.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;My learned friend appeared to suggest that they were sanctioning a referral to the Professional Conduct Committee at on stage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am sure she suggested that in error.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They were simply saying, “Go back and make your decision again”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you look at the decision of the PPC which led to our ultimate referral, you will find that they fell into precisely the same trap as the previous one.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are many references to competing academic claims.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The concern for us is that, because those matters to which we were referred bear little relation to the current charges, effectively we have started afresh in looking how to defend these charges since April 2008.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We were hoping for, and I know Mr Foster supports me in this hope, the Further and Better Particulars we have been seeking since we received the charges.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We still do not have them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Turning to the charges, it is still of importance to us to know what the General Medical Council’s case is, for instance in relation to charge 17.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I only deal with that one by way of illustration.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Patient 6 was booked in under the care of Dr Spencer on 14 December 1992 and she was discharged on 7 January 1993, a three week period.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I will read to you the extract from the Stimmler report dealing with this matter.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He says:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“I could not see one blood pressure measurement which in an infant that was being ventilated and has respiratory distress syndrome, represents a poor standard of care.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is possible that blood pressures might have been recorded on some sheets that I have not been able to discover, but blood pressure measurements are certainly part of the protocol for this trial.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So, there is doubt being expressed about the availability of records.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One reading of that criticism, and this is what we would seek elucidation upon, is that the blood pressure criticism in paragraph 17 is supported only whilst the infant was being ventilated, not for the whole three week period.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is something of importance to us.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As you will well understand, Dr Spencer and I have been looking at the records trying to decipher doctors’ signatures, which is not easy at the best of times, to see if he is likely to have been on duty during the twelve hours, we think on 16 December, when this child was ventilated.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are struggling at the moment, in a sense, to prove the negative – that he was not there.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is something we ought to be in a position to do.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Similarly, in relation to charges 18 and 19, my learned friend is absolutely correct to suggest to you that we have, I think at page 161 and 162 of the relevant bundle, the ultrasound reports.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What we do not have is any indication which may or may not have been apparent from the scan itself, as to when that report found its way in to the notes, who was informed of the appearances on the scan, and who this person was, it would appear, from the correspondence I read to you yesterday, was present with Mrs Henshall at the time of one or both of the scans.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is something which causes us a real difficulty.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;My learned friend in her submissions to you accepted that recollections fade and indicated that the safeguards were sufficient by reason of the direction you are likely to get relating to delay if we proceed in this matter, and also by reason of the standard of proof.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have said specifically in my skeleton argument, that that does not provide sufficient safeguard.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One can imagine with the publicity that this case is likely to attract a member of nursing staff reading a report and perhaps a week or two after any Determination saying, “I could have helped you, I was the person who spoke to Mrs Henshall, that is my signature, I remember popping the blood pressures into my pocket I probably did not put them into the notes”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These are the sorts of possibilities which are truly concerning from Dr Spencer’s perspective.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The suggestion that the Court of Appeal considered delay I have dealt with.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My learned friend did read an extract from the White Book which dealt with the delay in the bringing of the claim.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My understanding, and I am happy to be corrected, is that that is not a reference to the delay in terms of the substantive case here – in other words 1997 to 2008, or 1989 to 2008 – it is the delay in seeking the remedy of judicial review, because it is described as “the claim”, and the claim is the judicial review claim.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no specific reference to the age of the events, because all judicial review achieves, if it is successful, is a court saying, “Please make your decision again”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is the decision that is being attacked in terms of delay rather than that being a reference to old cases being of such concern that the court itself ought not to give a remedy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Clearly Lord Justice Auld felt, as I have quoted in my skeleton, that this was not going to be a situation which would satisfy the Henshalls in any event.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have quoted that at paragraph 6.7 and you will find, within the judgment, the relevant paragraph is paragraph 76, that he is the only judge who appears to have dealt with the exercise of his discretion given the considerable lapse of time. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is not dealt with, in terms, by Lord Justice Parker.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;His judgment is one and a half pages, but you can see Lord Justice Parker’s reasoning, which is at paragraph 101, Professor Southall’s refusal to relay his responses, and paragraph 102 the Hey and Chalmers article.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That really founds the basis of the decision made by Lord Justice Sedley, who, interestingly enough, said this, and this underlines the fact that it was really an invitation to the Preliminary Proceedings Committee to reconsider matters:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“I do not consider that this court can say that the medical literature disposed of any possible question of serious professional misconduct.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Nor, however, can I accept Mr Havers’ submission that it manifestly required a referral to the PCC.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So the court was not prepared to adjudicate on that matter.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;They said to do so would risk substituting the court for the PPC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sometimes judges are a little bolder, but they wanted the decision remade and the only delay, so far as the rules were concerned, would be the delay in applying for judicial review, which normally requires an application within three months of the decision that was made in 2004.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Finally, the only other point I make on Dr Spencer’s behalf is that I very carefully, with the exception of the disclosure to me of certain aspects of this case thwarting Dr Spencer’s medical career, set out the prejudice in paragraph 6, on pages 14 and 15, which I say this doctor will suffer as a result of the age of this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It did not appear to me that those matters were specifically dealt with.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They were dealt with in a very generic way.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are checks and balances, they are safeguards, submissions of no case can be made etc.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I maintain my stance on behalf of this doctor that there is severe prejudice here and it is, as outlined with the one addition, the career ambitions, in paragraph 6, pages 14 and 15, of my skeleton argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is all I wish to say by way of reply, and I extend an invitation to the Panel.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If there is anything the Panel need by way of clarification, I am happy to assist.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you Mr Forde. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On page 14 of your skeleton, where you are talking about prejudice, almost all the allegations are of evidential prejudice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan’s point was that that is all that is relevant.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The question is, can we still have a fair trial?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is true that at the second bullet point from the end, you talk about the stress, you have added to that the career blight, and there is the point about the balance of publicity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Do you accept or not, Ms Sullivan’s point that, on a stay, it is actually evidential prejudice which is relevant, that is why she did not respond in detail, I think? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That may be right but, assuming that is the case, I would readily concede that if you are looking at a stay on the basis of delay, your primary concern should be the ability of the doctor to defend himself and cross‑examine witnesses adequately, and the ability of the doctor to be able to furnish you with relevant contemporaneous documentation and, further, the abilities of any expert called to truly – I am not suggesting they would be dishonest but truly – reconstruct the prevailing medical culture at the time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those are the main areas.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I certainly would not be inviting you to say that the stress of the proceedings and attendant publicity was reason enough to grant a stay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am sure Ms Sullivan would be full of consternation if that was the basis of your decision.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Evidential prejudice should rule the day. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Foster.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, sir, all those other sorts of prejudice – stress, effect on a doctor’s career and so on – are relevant to the issue of legitimate expectation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have set out at paragraph 3.1 of my skeleton argument, the comment from Lord Justice Staughton:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“It seems to us that, whether or not there was prejudice, it would bring the administration of justice into disrepute if the Crown Prosecution Service were able to treat the court as if it were at its beck and call, free to tell it one day that it was not going to prosecute and another day that it was.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;One of the issues which you will have to consider, is the one which is averted to by Ms Sullivan in the final paragraph of her skeleton argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She says that it is in the best interests, it is in the public interest, to allow these proceedings to go on.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One of the issues which you will have to weigh, in deciding whether it is in the best interests of the public at large for these proceedings to go on, is the effect which these proceedings have on the doctors concerned.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Under that umbrella, as Lord Justice Staughton said, you can take into consideration the other aspects of prejudice.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;On the question of delay, I respectfully adopt everything my Mr Forde has said. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;The response of Ms Sullivan to our contentions on delay is basically that there are sufficient procedural safeguards for the undoubted inordinate and inexcusable delay not to be a danger.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In particular, she highlighted the burden and standard of proof, and the fact that we would be able to make a half‑time submission, if the evidence were really so weak by reason of delay, that case should not go any further.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;If that is her only response, it is a poor one because it could be said in every case in which there has been inordinate and inexcusable delay that these procedural safeguards are in place.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If that were a sufficient answer, and it is Ms Sullivan’s only answer, no submission on the basis of delay would ever succeed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They plainly do and this is a classic case where they should.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Ms Sullivan can gain no comfort from what the Court of Appeal said in the two main judgments.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is not a word about delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The case, as I understand it, was not put to the Court of Appeal on behalf of the practitioners on the basis that discretion should not be exercised because there had been delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only comment about delay is in the judgment of Lord Justice Auld at paragraph and it is wholly against Ms Sullivan.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He says that the delay is something which was inexcusable and should weigh heavily in deciding the outcome of that application, and by extension too, the decision which you have to make.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is interesting and significant that Ms Sullivan did not say anything whatsoever on the issue of legitimate expectation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is a good deal in my skeleton argument about it; there was not a word.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There was not a word because, of course, there cannot be a response.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I had a question about that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I remember distinctly – I do not have the transcript – thinking yesterday that you had moved very quickly over one aspect of legitimate expectation which is at the top of page 6 of your skeleton.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The quotation of the case starts at the bottom of page 5: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“...an unequivocal assurance that a suspect will not be prosecuted and the suspect, in reliance upon that undertaking, acts to his detriment.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We find in the most recent review at the bottom of page 6, that: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“These authorities suggest that it is not likely to constitute an abuse of process to proceed with a prosecution unless (i) there has been unequivocal representation...”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;which you have argued is the letter, and (ii) that the defendant has acted on that representation to his detriment.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You were very clearly making a case yesterday that he had detrimental effects imposed on him, but not that he had acted in reliance.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I wonder if you could identify for the Panel the actions which your doctor took in reliance on the representations, and then the final sentence there:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Even then, if facts come to light which were not known when the representation was made, these may justify proceeding …”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;One of the facts is that 1600 pages have been overlooked at one stage.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are two broad actions in reliance.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The first is failing, because of the representations which have been made, to gather the evidence which would now be helpful.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Once all the practitioners were told that they would not have to face the charges, they assumed that there was no need to preserve documents, namely to preserve diaries, namely to keep in contact with witnesses and get statements from witnesses who might be helpful.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is an action which is of course more conveniently and more conventionally dealt with under the general head of delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not my duty to stray into fact but I think it would help the Panel if, firstly, if this chronology is right, the first notification that the GMC would not continue was on 15 March 2002, and then by a letter dated 2 May.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You seem to be putting a lot of stress on the period of six week delay there.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then in the ordinary way of the further decision that was indicated, and then subject to judicial review, I do not actually know when the judicial review was started, but the usual period is within three months of the communication of the decision seemed to be comparatively short periods.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I would say is had there not been this representation there may have been recollections which would have been refreshed for the purposes of proceedings, there may have been documents which were retained, but all of those sorts of issues are more conveniently dealt with under the general head of delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The better point is in relation to the act – it is properly described that way – of getting on with their lives.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They relied on the assertion that they would not be prosecuted by getting on with their medical careers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those hopes of being able to continue unpersecuted by the GMC were dashed on two occasions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That, in my submission, is plain detriment within the meaning of this head of legitimate expectation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, that seems to be contemplated by the Court of Appeal in the case of &lt;i style=""&gt;Mulla&lt;/i&gt; which I have cited at paragraph 3.2.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This was not a case in which the defendant’s hopes were raised later to be dashed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That appears to be being identified by the Court of Appeal as detriment of this kind.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This happened to these practitioners not once but twice.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Can I move on to the contention made by Ms Sullivan that the appropriate way to deal with the issue of merits is by way of an application for cancellation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The first point to make is that there has been no attempt by Ms Sullivan to respond at all to my contentions about merits and their relevance.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She has simply said you should not consider them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She has not addressed the two reasons why I say that you should.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She has not said in response to my explicit setting out of her own case from her own experts on the heads of charge against Dr Samuels that I have misrepresented things, that there is further evidence which could be and will be adduced by her which support these heads of charge.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only conclusion which you can draw from that is that there can be no answer.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Should there then have been, as she suggests, an application for cancellation?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a wholly unrealistic suggestion.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We did not get the Notice of Inquiry in this case until 8 April of this year.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As you have had demonstrated to you, the evidence from the General Medical Council has come in in huge quantities, mutating as it does so, between 8 April and now.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I sought further and better particulars of allegation 3(a).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not sure if I have got them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I heard from Ms Sullivan was well Dr Raine at Queen Charlotte’s was the only person who took consent.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If she is saying that we should conclude from that that only one person should have been able to take consent in relation to the 244 children enrolled in the trial at Stoke over the four years then those are further and better particular indeed, but laughably unarguable as an allegation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not imagine she is saying that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If she is saying that then of course I am very pleased.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I would like her to nail her colours to the mast.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If that is not the answer then we still do not have one and I do not know what allegation I face in relation to charge 3(a).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I was slightly puzzled when you formulated it because I almost ended up with the impression that any number would have been appropriate provided they were properly trained, in which case the allegation as to numbers is probably not material and it is the training that is important.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is in part important but not in its entirety because the fact that there were 34 people of varying different levels of experience consenting for the trial the Council would say is too many.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not saying it should just have been one – of course that is totally unrealistic – but it should not have been as many as that and of as many different standards of experience.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am none the wiser nor better informed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Forde invites me to observe, as is the case, that there is not a single statement from any of the doctors who the General Medical Council proposes to call saying that they were inadequately trained, that they did not know what they were doing, another point which goes to merits.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;There is then the issue of whether the charges were, to use legal shorthand, validly committed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Chairman put to me a question yesterday afternoon about what had happened after the Court of Appeal considered the matter.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What happened was that the Court of Appeal said that the Preliminary Proceedings Committee should reconsider the matter.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was not that the Court of Appeal said that the whole process should start again, there should be re-screening and the process should go on from there.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The matter was ordered to go back to the Preliminary Proceedings Committee.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The documentation which resulted thereafter you have seen in the second small bundle which was handed up to you yesterday.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Henshalls were invited to, and did, produce some further comments and in response to those comments those instructing me on behalf of Dr Samuels responded further.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Rule 11(2) which is relied upon by Ms Sullivan has to be read together of course with Rule 4A and Rule 4D.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The fact of the matter here is that Dr Samuels has been wholly deprived of the basic protection of Rule 4A and 4D because we have in what he now faces allegations which are, because of the GMC’s procedural default, wholly uncommented on.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Rule 11(2) does not begin to help my learned friend.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It says that:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Provided that where the Committee refer any cases relating to conduct to the Professional Conduct Committee, and the solicitor or the complainant later adduces grounds for further allegations of serious professional misconduct &lt;i style=""&gt;of a similar kind&lt;/i&gt; …”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You can hear me italicising those final four words,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“… such further allegation may be included in the charge or charges in the case.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The allegations which we now have are not of a similar kind to those which Dr Samuels commented on.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have commented already that Ms Sullivan closes with an invitation to you to allow this case to go on because it is in the public interest to do so.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I ask rhetorically, as Mr Forde has already done, what conceivable public interest can there be in a further airing of these issues?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not as if these allegations have been brushed under the carpet in some sinister way which should give the Henshalls real grounds for concern.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have demonstrated by reference to the evidence which the GMC proposes to rely on that there is no prospect of making out any of these allegations, let alone a finding of serious professional misconduct against Dr Samuels.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It cannot be in the public interest to pursue charges which are doomed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, as I have said too in my skeleton argument, it brings the whole process of proceedings before the General Medical Council Professional Conduct Committee into disrepute if they are used in this way.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not in the public interest that they should be so abused.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not in the public interest to keep doctors who should be on the wards looking after patients sitting here facing baseless allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those are my submissions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;May I mention one matter and, if necessary, Ms Sullivan may wish to comment on it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I adopted Mr Foster’s submissions in relation to legitimate expectation and I am aware of the fact that I have not pointed to reliance to my client’s detriment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do rely in your bundle D1-C upon his letter of 23 April 2004 where he indicates, and this goes to prejudice initially:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“I was severely hampered in obtaining two senior posts …”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;But after the case was dismissed the first time he relies upon that dismissal and enters into a positive discussion with a medical director of a trust in relation to a newly created post.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As soon as the case is re-opened he is told you cannot apply.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He goes on to explain that his personal life and work has been affected in many other ways as you might imagine.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you are looking for prejudice and detriment, in my submission, it was professionally embarrassing for him to enter into discussions in reliance upon the first dismissal as communicated to him by the GMC with a senior colleague in relation to that newly created post and then of course he is told in terms you are not eligible because this matter is still outstanding.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Could I just correct one matter?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My understanding is that delay was something that featured in the Court of Appeal, but neither Mr Foster nor myself were there.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If it was, it was not referred to by either of the judges who gave the main judgments.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS O’ROURKE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, I am in a difficult position because I represent here today different clients to those I represented in the Court of Appeal.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I continue to owe Dr Samuels and Dr Spencer duties of confidentiality in respect of my representation of them in those proceedings and so I do not think it would be appropriate for me to say anything.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;All that I can say is that there obviously were pleadings in documents and affidavits and things filed which are of course matters of public record, but I do not think I can say anything beyond that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not think my professional duties would allow me.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;I think we have now reached the point where I can call on Mr Forrest as the Panel’s Legal Assessor to give us the appropriate legal advice before we retire to consider these applications.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Having had a quick whispered conversation with Mr Forrest, the suggestion he was making was to allow him time to put his thoughts together in articulating the advice he would wish to give us, it would be sensible if we were to break for lunch now and return at half past one, and then at half past one we will receive our legal advice from Mr Forrest.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Once we have the advice the Panel is going to go into camera to consider the applications but we will deal with the question of how long we think that might be and how long it will be sensible to release people until at that point.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(Luncheon adjournment)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Welcome back everybody.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Before your Legal Assessor directs you, we have been investigating the matter of what was and what was not told to the Court of Appeal in relation to delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It seems that there was some mention of the issue before the Court of Appeal.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not sure of the details.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I can say about it is, as I have observed already, the two judges who gave the prevailing judgment in that case do not seem to have relied on delay at all in coming to the conclusion they did about what happened to the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only detailed comment on it is the one from Lord Justice Auld, which I have read out.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;I suppose that the best one can say about that, Mr Foster, is that from what you say, if there was some mention of delay, the two judges who gave the majority judgment allowing the appeal did not find it necessary to make any observation about delay, it not being directly an issue in the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;They have not commented on it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What one concludes from that, I do not know.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Lord Justice Auld was saying at paragraph 76, “Well, I have reached the conclusion I have, but even if I reached a different conclusion I might then have exercised my discretion”. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Absolutely. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is helpful.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;I am sorry to stand up in relation to this.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Of course that relates to the first judgment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The question of whether to exercise discretion was argued on the second occasion on 31 January 2006.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only other point I would make is that Lord Justice Auld’s analysis of what had happened in the case was adopted by the other two judges who were in the majority.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;The best we can do is to look at the judgment that we have in relation to the supplemental hearing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Miss O’Rourke has quite rightly I think indicated that she would fell diffident if not embarrassed in going further than what is apparent from the judgment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We will just have to make the best we can from the judgment as it appears.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Yes, we have set in train to try to get those documents that Miss O’Rourke said would be a matter of public record.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As of yet we do not have them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;If they were to arrive during the time the Panel is deliberating on the application in private, and if it was thought we might be assisted if we had access to them, would there be any problem in their being made available to us?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We would agree to that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Certainly not from my part.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I would be more than happy for you to receive them.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Then, if having arrived and if having seen them you think they might be of assistance, by all means steer them in our direction.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Forrest.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Sir, I remind the Panel, as I did yesterday, that what follows is my advice, not a direction, and the Panel is free to disagree with any advice which I give.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I remind the Panel too that I have no view.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not allowed to have a view, and in fact I have no view concerning the merits of the application.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If I mention some facts to give illustrations, it is purely illustrative and not because my mind is turning in any particular way.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It always happens, and I apologise in advance, but because the cases are criminal cases I shall by oversight inevitably refer sometimes to the prosecution and the defendants.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If I do so it is an oversight.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The prosecution equates to the GMC in this case and the defendants are the doctors.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The application is for a stay of proceedings on the ground of abuse of process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The first thing to tell the Panel is what constitutes an abuse of process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No court should allow itself to be used as an instrument of injustice, so a power has been devised to stay proceedings, which includes a power to safeguard an accused person from oppression or prejudice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A court may stay proceedings, for example, where to allow them to continue would bring the administration of justice into disrepute among right‑thinking people. That would be the case if the court were allowing its process to be used as an instrument of oppression, injustice or unfairness. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;What is at stake?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It means that the case comes to a stop.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no adjudication on the merits of the case whatever; the case simply does not proceed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The burden of proof lies on those making the application.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the doctors, and it is for them to prove on the balance of probabilities that a stay is justified - although once the facts have been proved there is a large degree of judgment to be exercised in assessing whether a fair trial is still possible.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is an unusual feature of this case that of the three doctors only two are making an application. The Panel should draw no inferences whatever from Dr Southall’s having declined to enter into this particular fray.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I understood the doctor’s position through Miss O’Rourke it is a case of, what seems to be the popular phrase now, “bring it on and let us have a fight regardless”, so that the doctor may be vindicated on the merits rather than being left in the unsatisfactory position, as he may regard it, of the case simply having come to a stop.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But you should not draw any inferences from that as to merits of the present application.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Although there is a large degree of overlap between the arguments, you must look at each doctor’s application separately because there may be factors that apply to one doctor but not to the another.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is also accepted on all sides that you should look at each factual allegation separately.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Counsel for the doctors say that the whole case should be stayed, but each has made arguments in relation to particular factual allegations, and it is open to you to stay further proceedings in relation to particular allegations while allowing the reminder of the allegations to proceed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is, in a sense, the doctors` fallback position: if things are not so bad that the whole case should be stayed, then nonetheless you should stay some particular allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example, the reason you must look at the allegations separately is you may think there is a difference between setting up a protocol for a trial, which would be a process spread over many months, and what was said to a patient’s parent on a particular day many years ago in the course of a doctor’s ordinary duties.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is only an example of the sort of distinction you could draw if so minded.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;As all parties agreed yesterday, but I remind you again, this is not the time to make findings on the substantive issues that arise in the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You must carefully avoid doing that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You have had drawn to your attention various extracts from disclosed witness statements and expert reports, which the doctors say make it impossible for the GMC to prove various of the factual allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My advice to you is that these are selective excerpts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You do not know yet the whole of the evidence.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If it is indeed a thin case and the evidence will not bear the weight Ms Sullivan puts on it, then it will be appropriate for the application to be reconsidered, possibly once Ms Sullivan has concluded her opening, certainly at the close of the GMC case; and it would be possible at any stage to renew the present applications once it is seen what the evidence actually is, or to make a submission that there is in effect no case to answer.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr Foster raised arguments about the admissibility of evidence and in particular the evidence of Dr Nicholson, I should say.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Matters of admissibility can be dealt with in the course of a substantive hearing, either by an application to exclude the evidence or by cross‑examination.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I may have to explain again, an expert is only allowed to give evidence if he is indeed expert in a relevant field of expertise.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;An application can be made that the evidence should not be allowed at all, or the expert can be subject to cross‑examination.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My advice to you is that questions of admissibility should not feature in your deliberations at this stage. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The principal plank of the doctor’s argument arises out of delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Other points arise which are not connected with delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For convenience I deal with those together.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is an argument based on insufficiency of particularity of various allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have investigated those this morning.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How many is too many in the case of doctors and nurses being delegated to take consents, and what is the period over which regular blood pressures should have been taken?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My advice again is that at this stage, at least, those matters should be left out of the count by you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, this is an application that can be renewed and may helpfully be done so once Ms Sullivan has opened the case and made clear precisely how she puts each of those allegations against the doctor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is certainly true that the doctors are entitled to know the case against them before the evidence starts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If there remains after the opening sufficient doubt as to what is being alleged then I suggest that you invite, and they will probably require no invitation, Mr Forde and Mr Foster to renew their application.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It would be unfair to describe it as bickering.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There has been a degree of polite disagreements concerning continuing disclosure.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is of course the duty of the GMC in a case such as this to give continuing disclosure of relevant documents as they come to light.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is not in itself a ground for staying the proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If of course an important points arises out of continuing and late disclosure then it is a matter for the doctors to consider their position.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, if something comes up which changes the complexion of the case the present application could be renewed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, I invite you to leave out of consideration at the moment the late disclosure as is alleged as a grounds for a stay, although it forms part of the general background to the subsequent considerations you will have concerning delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr Foster raised a procedural point.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is dealt with at section five of Mr Foster’s argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;It concerns Dr Samuels only.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will recall this is the point about the failure to obtain the comments of the doctor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You heard Ms Sullivan’s response to that under Rule 11(2).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is my advice to you that in any event the rule requiring that the doctor’s comments be sought is directory.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In other words it should be done, but it is not fatal to the proceedings if it is not done.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a technical legal distinction between directory and mandatory rules. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I move on to an argument which was most fully deployed in Mr Foster’s skeleton argument, but of course adopted by Mr Forde and therefore applies to both doctors. It is the argument concerning legitimate expectations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Foster has helpfully set out at page five, paragraph 3.3 of his skeleton argument, an extract from the Court of Appeal in &lt;i&gt;R v Abu Hamza&lt;/i&gt; which is the most recent authority on this subject.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The cases which he set out previously, with the exception of the first case to which he refers, deal with cases where expectations were raised by dashed, but the court held that that was not sufficient ground for a stay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The overall conclusion of the Court of Appeal was that a stay may be appropriate in some circumstances such as these.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is at the bottom of page five of Mr Foster’s skeleton argument.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 19.85pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“if police, who are carrying out a criminal investigation, give an unequivocal assurance that a suspect will not be prosecuted and the suspect, in reliance upon that undertaking, acts to his detriment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thus in &lt;i style=""&gt;R v Croydon Justices&lt;/i&gt;... a 17‑year‑old youth, who had assisted in destroying evidence after a murder had taken place, was invited by the police to provide evidence for the prosecution and assured that, if he did so, he would not himself be prosecuted.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He thereupon provided evidence against those who had committed the murder and admitted the part that he had played.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In these circumstances, which Staughton LJ presiding in the Divisional Court described as ‘quite exceptional’, it was held to be an abuse of process subsequently to prosecute him”. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You will realise that it was the defendant himself who had irrevocably changed his position by making confessions which he had been promised would not used against him, but which subsequently the prosecution did seek to use against him.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You may think that in those circumstances it is not hard to see why the court thought that that was abusive and oppressive.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The conclusion is at the bottom of bottom of page 6, 54.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;After reviewing the authorities, including &lt;i&gt;Bloomfield&lt;/i&gt;, in which there was no change of circumstances, the conclusion in &lt;i&gt;Abu Hamza&lt;/i&gt; was:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“These authorities suggest that it is not likely to constitute an abuse of process to proceed with a prosecution unless (i) there has been an unequivocal representation by those with the conduct of the investigation or prosecution of a case that the defendant would will not be prosecuted and (ii) that a defendant has acted on that representation to his detriment.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Applying for a job, for example, is not in itself acting to one’s detriment, it is trying to act to one’s advantage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The fact that a different party then refuses to give the job, is not a case where the defendant has acted to his detriment. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I draw attention to the last part of the &lt;i&gt;Abu Hamza&lt;/i&gt; judgment: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Even then, if facts come to light which were not known when the representation was made, these may justify proceeding with the prosecution despite the representation.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In this case, at least so far as the first assurance is concerned that there would be no further action, that does seem to have proceeded on the basis of a mistake, which subsequently came to light, namely that 1600 pages of documents had been overlooked.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Foster did argue that the doctors had acted to their detriment in not obtaining documents and so on, not chasing up witnesses.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a matter for you and you bear in mind the comparatively short periods between the notification on 15 March 2002 that the case was not proceeding and the intimation on 2 May of the same year that it was proceeding because a mistake had been made, and then on the second decision, communicated on 12 March 2004, which was reversed because of the judicial review.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is right to say that any decision of a public body is, in a sense, provisional in that the public body is always subject to judicial review, and it may be that hopes cannot be raised too far until the period for judicial review, when usually the application has to be made within three months from the date of communication of the decision, whether that sort of raising of hopes is a matter of significance.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr Foster also raised the argument in his skeleton at paragraph 6.1(b), that there was an improper motive in this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps, but it is us matter for you, he did not make it absolutely plain whose improper motive it was.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I remind you that it is for the defendants to prove this on the balance of probabilities, in so far as there has been talk of the Henshalls having an agenda of their own or anything of that sort.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I draw your attention to this paragraph of Archbold, the leading text book on Criminal Law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is paragraph 4‑63a for those interested: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“A complainant’s unreliability as a witness and his obsession about his cause do not justify a decision to stay proceedings on the basis of abuse of process.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;That seems to me, but again it is a matter for you, to be about as high as the case has been put to you, and it is a matter for you whether any improper motive amounting to oppression, manipulation of the system, or something such as that, has been proved on the balance of probabilities.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I then turn to what may be described as the main thrust of the doctors’ argument, the issue of delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There has been talk of public interest.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is right that I should remind you of the context in which you have to consider these allegations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is not simply a civil dispute between two parties as to whether, for example, one owes money to the other.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is indeed a degree of public interest.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will remember, no doubt, from the Indicative Sanctions guide that, as far as the GMC is concerned, that the public interest includes, amongst other things, protection of patients, maintenance of public confidence in the profession and declaring and upholding proper standards of conduct and behaviour.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Fairness requires fairness to the GMC in its endeavour to uphold public interest as well as fairness to the doctors.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The common law has devised protection for defendants, in this case doctors, in cases where it is no longer possible to have a fair trial of the action.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is summarised this way, again in Archbold:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“On an application for a stay on the ground of delay, a court should bear in mind the following principles:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(i) even where delay is unjustifiable, a permanent stay should be the exception rather than the rule; (ii) where there is no fault on the part of the complainant or the prosecution, it will be very rare for a stay to be granted; (iii) no stay should be granted in the absence of serious prejudice to the defence so that no fair trial can be held; and (iv) on the issue of possible serious prejudice, there is power to regulate the admissibility of evidence and the trial process itself should ensure that all relevant factual issues arising from the delay will be placed before the jury.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If, having considered all those factors, a judge’s assessment is that a fair trial will be possible, a stay should not be granted.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So the focus, as you will see, under the common law is whether a fair trial of the action remains possible.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only remedy is that if a fair trial is no longer possible, there should be a stay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Separately, since the introduction of the Human Rights Act, it may be alleged, as it is indeed alleged in this case, that there is a breach of article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights – the right to a fair trial within a reasonable time. So far as the fair trial aspect is concerned, requirement for a stay of the proceedings due to delay are similar whether the court has been asked to consider common law principles or article 6.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This needs a little further explanation. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Article 6 requires various disjointed rights.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In other words, it may still be possible to have a fair trial even after a period of delay, but that delay may constitute a breach of the requirement to have that trial within a reasonable time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The starting date for the article 6 inquiry is 30 March 2001. If a breach is found, then a remedy is required, but that remedy need not be a stay, and indeed should not be a stay unless it is possible to have a fair trial of the action.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is put this way in the leading authority to which your attention has already been drawn, the &lt;i&gt;Attorney‑General’s Reference (No 2 of 2001)&lt;/i&gt; [2004] 2 AC 72. It is at paragraph 24 in Lord Bingham’s speech:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“If the through the action or inaction of a public authority, a criminal charge is not determined at a hearing within a reasonable time, there is necessarily a breach of the defendant’s Convention right under article 6(1).&lt;span style=""&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;For such a breach there must be afforded such remedy as may be just and appropriate in terms of the Human Rights Act or (in Convention terms) effective, just and proportionate.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The appropriate remedy will depend on the nature of the breach and all the circumstances, including particularly the stage of the proceedings at which the breach is established.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If the breach is established before the hearing, the appropriate remedy may be a public acknowledgement of the breach, action to expedite the hearing to the greatest extent practicable and perhaps, if the defendant is in custody, his release on bail. It will not be appropriate to stay or dismiss the proceedings unless (a) there can no longer be a fair hearing or (b) it would otherwise be unfair to try the defendant.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The public interest in the final determination of criminal charges requires that such a charge should be stayed or dismissed if any lesser remedy will be just and proportionate in all the circumstances.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The prosecutor and the court do not act incompatibly with the defendant’s Convention right in continuing to prosecute or entertain proceedings after a breach is established in a case where neither of conditions (a) or (b) is met, since the breach consists in the delay which has accrued and not in the prospective hearing. If the breach of the reasonable time requirement is established retrospectively, after there has been a hearing, the appropriate remedy may be a public acknowledgement of the breach, a reduction in the penalty imposed on a convicted defendant or the payment of compensation to an acquitted defendant. Unless (a) the hearing was unfair or (b) it was unfair to try the defendant at all, it will not be appropriate to quash any conviction.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again in any case where neither of conditions (a) or (b) applies, he prosecutor and the court do not act incompatibly with the defendant’s Convention right in prosecuting or entertaining the proceedings but only in failing to procure a hearing within a reasonable time.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So it is open to you to find that, if the GMC has been guilty of delay since 13 March 2001, which has had the effect that the hearing has not taken place within a reasonable time, then there is a breach of article 6 and there should be declared to be a breach.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is open to you to say that it is sufficient vindication of the defendant’s rights that that declaration has been made by you, and a stay could be the answer unless a fair trial is no longer possible.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr Forde put forward the argument that in regulatory proceedings different principles apply concerning the sanctions which, of course, are not intended to be punitive, from the principles which apply in sentencing a convicted offender.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You must make of those arguments what you think fit in the light of the response which was given to you by Ms Sullivan on behalf of the GMC.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The periods which you should regard as culpable by a public authority are those which could properly be laid at the door of the GMC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan was suitably demure and circumspect in the concessions which she made.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Certainly the Panel may think that the fact that the GMC overlooked 1600 pages of documents, that set the clock running for culpable delay, though of course what timescale would have been observed if those 1600 pages had not been overlooked has not been investigated.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is debatable whether, once the Preliminary Proceedings Panel in 2004 made a decision which was wrong and corrected subsequently by the court, it is debatable whether that should be laid at the door of a public authority in this context, or whether it is a judicial decision, but at best, as Mr Forde has said, that should be regarded as neutral.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No‑one believes that it could be laid at the door of the GMC that from the time of the High Court decision in the judicial review to the time when the Court of Appeal finally gave its decision, but that delay can be laid at the door of the GMC so the clock in effect stops running during that period.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Your attention was drawn to the case of &lt;i&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan’s submissions concerning that case gave no particular force because she was able to refer to a text book.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She was entitled to, and did, adopt the argument of the authors, but it is for you to judge the merits of that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My advice to you is that not every case, as has been emphasised to you, turns on its own facts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not clear what the facts in &lt;i&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt; were.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Most importantly it was decided before what is now, and I am struggling to find the words for, locus classicus, but the authoritative source of learning on this topic is now the case in the House of Lords which I mentioned, &lt;i&gt;The Attorney‑Generals Reference (No 2 of 2001&lt;/i&gt;) which was decided after &lt;i&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At the time of &lt;i&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt; the Human Rights Act had only recently been introduced and there was controversy and some disagreement between England and Scotland as to the effect of it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Rogers could never be an authority.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is something you can take into account and my advice is that you should give it little weight.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The five year rule - all except that this did not apply at the time of the events which are the subject of the present hearing, my advice to the Panel is that you may take it into account insofar as you think it casts light on the issues concerning delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Clearly delay is never desirable and that has now been enshrined by what perhaps is a somewhat arbitrary cut-off point in the GMC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You may find that helpful in your considerations as to whether a fair trial is possible or not, but of course the five year rule only applied and was judged by the time between the happening of the events and the making of the complaint to the GMC and you are concerned with delay other than during that period.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have already read to you the passage which says a lot of the concerns which are raised in this type of application can be addressed by the trial process; points about fading memory and so on.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan rightly reminds you that the burden of proof in this case will be on the GMC and the standard of proof is that the GMC will have to satisfy you, if the case proceeds, that you are sure of the factual allegations.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In trying to satisfy you to that degree of certainty, evidence will be called, the witnesses will be subject to cross-examination, the accuracy or otherwise of their recollection will be fully explored and no doubt submissions will be made and will be investigated in cross-examination whether documents might have helped.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only documents which we know at this stage are missing are ultrasound scans and Ms Sullivan reminds you that the reports of those scans are still available.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It might help you to know the sort of advice which I would be giving you at the end of this case if you were to reach the stage of considering the facts because that may help you appreciate the protections which are built into the trial process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The suggested directions which the Judicial Studies Board provides for judges dealing with old cases are along these lines: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You are concerned with events which are said to have taken place a long time ago.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You must appreciate that, because of this, there may be a danger of real prejudice to the practitioner.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This possibility must be in your mind when you decide whether the Council has made you sure of the practitioner’s guilt.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You are entitled to consider why these matters did not come to light sooner.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Is that a reflection on the reliability of the complaint? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 50.4pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 50.4pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You have been given an explanation for this and that will be whatever explanation the Henshalls give concerning the first period of delay and the cross-examination thereof and the submissions which are made and any evidence which is led in relation to subsequent periods.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The direction goes on like this:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You should make allowance for the fact that with the passage of time memories fade. Witnesses, whoever they may be, cannot be expected to remember with crystal clarity events which occurred many years ago.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sometimes the passage of time may even play tricks on memories.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You should also make allowances for the fact that, from the practitioner’s point of view, the longer the time since an alleged incident, the more difficult it may be for him to answer it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For example, has the passage of time deprived him of the opportunity to put forward and alibi and evidence in support of it?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You only have to imagine what it would be like to have to answer questions about events which are said to have taken place, in this case up to 18½ years ago, to appreciate the problems which may be caused by delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even if you believe that the delay in this case is understandable, if you decide that because of this the practitioner has been placed at a real disadvantage in putting forward his case, take that into account in his favour when deciding if the prosecution has made you sure of his guilt.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In other words, the implication of that advice is this that, once you have heard all the cross-examination, it may not be necessary to cross-examine because witnesses may not come up to proof, say what they were expected to say, even in-chief, but the trial process will take care of those doubts and, if appropriate, result in an acquittal.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Unless the doctors’ counsel have persuaded you on the balance of probabilities that those safeguards cannot ensure a safe trial, then the proper course for you is to allow this to go forward to a hearing.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;There is talk in some of the extracts from cases about a discretion whether to stay a case as an abuse of process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My advice to you is this, that there is really no discretion in this sense if you find on the balance of probabilities that it is impossible to have a fair trial of any particular issue or of all the issues, you should say so and you should stay that part of the proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It would not be a proper judicial decision to say well, a fair trial is impossible but in the exercise of my discretion I think I will let it go ahead anyway.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That would not be the right process.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, as a legal assessor, my main function is to prevent you from falling into error.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In view of the amount of material which has been put before you there may well be matters which arise in the course of your considerations which will require further advice.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;If that happens, I shall of course give advice and it would be necessary to reconvene and repeat that advice in public so as to hear the submissions of the parties.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I believe, after my discussions with counsel for all the parties, except Miss O’Rourke, who is not participating in the application in any event, that I have covered all the matters which I wished to do so.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is my advice unless any Member of the Panel requires further clarification at this stage.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DR OKITIKPI:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is not a clarification as such, but if we want a copy of what you have just read out would it be possible?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes, it is incorporated into the transcript which should be available by the end of the afternoon, which I think is likely to be the earliest you will come to consider the application of this advice to the facts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I ought to have said that clearly you need to read all the skeletons again and the documentation which has been put before you before you start detailed consideration of the applications.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is one matter I may need to check but I would like to comment on two aspects of the advice that has been given to make our position absolutely clear.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is our case that, under the common law, time runs against the Henshalls, who are jointly instructing my learned friend, from their concerns being expressed in relation to the CNEP trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We were told 20 March 1996.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am looking at my learned friend’s chronology, C2, and we know that by 21 July 1994 this family were instructing solicitors and the Newall Report that I have seen of November 1995 deals with concerns of the sort in relation to scans which comprise the charges that my client faces in paragraphs 18, 19 and 20 and therefore it is my strong submission that the time period in relation to those allegations which were not specifically dealt with by the Court of Appeal have been matters of concern to the Henshalls since the middle Nineties, throughout the period of time, right up until April 2008. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;We suspect their knowledge may have been prior to 21 July 1994.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So far as Article 6 is concerned, the learned Legal Assessor suggested that time might run from March 2001 and then be held in a sort of neutral abeyance as a result of the judicial review proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Can I make it absolutely clear that our position is that the Court of Appeal, in the short judgment that you have been handed which I think was in January 2006, said the matter should proceed “with expedition”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do rely upon the period between January 2006 and April 2008.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I would only be prepared to concede that their Lordships did not assist matters in taking six months to deliver their judgment as far as Article 6 is concerned.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;There is just one section of &lt;b style=""&gt;Archbold&lt;/b&gt; that it occurs to me, but this is subject to the view of the learned Legal Assessor, might assist you when you are looking at these overlapping periods and culpability.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is a little passage just above paragraph 4-68 on page 387 of the 2008 edition of &lt;b style=""&gt;Archbold&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I will read it into the transcript:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Where substantial delay has occurred which can be attributed in part to, for example, inefficiency on the part of the prosecution [for that read GMC] and in part to the conduct of the defendant [we say there is no culpable delay on the part of the doctors here] the court must consider to what extent the delay is attributable to prosecution inefficiency.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If the delay, so attributable, is substantial, and if the court considers that the defendant [for which read doctor] has, or must have been, prejudiced thereby, so that the continuance of the prosecution can be regarded as an abuse of process, the jurisdiction may be exercised in the defendant’s favour.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The point I wish to make is even when there is joint culpability your duty is clear in the sense that you can exercise your discretion in favour of the doctors.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The General Medical Council can point to no culpability.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The delays in court might be regarded properly as neutral, but in any event the substantial delay that had occurred up to the judicial review proceedings in 2004 should be taken into account by you in then looking at the delays since 2004.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I just wanted to make that clear.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;For the record, on the five year rule, and you have been reminded of this, I am not saying that it was applicable at the relevant time simply because it might be an approach that you could consider adopting.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I hope that makes matters a little clearer.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I adopt those submissions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan, have you anything you wish to say about the advice we have been given?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No, sir, except to say that I agree with the advice that you have been given and it would seem on the basis of what was just quoted by Mr Forde at&lt;span style=""&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;4-67(a) that you would need to consider to what extent the delay is attributable to GMC inefficiency, so it is still necessary to consider that prior to coming to any determination.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I would say the GMC and Henshall.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was just something that arose out of what Mr Forde was just saying but I think it would only complicate matters if I were to embark on it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If it is thought necessary, I am more than happy to discuss it with the Legal Assessor.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you, Mr Forrest, for those observations.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That brings us to the point where the Panel can now retire to deliberate on the applications which have been made and to reach a determination.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In terms of what we propose to do, as Mr Forrest has just indicated, we will start that process by reading all the material which has been put in as part of your respective submissions and Ms Sullivan’s response and of course we will remind ourselves of the amplification which has been given to the skeleton arguments through oral submissions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Once we have done that we will then go on to deliberate and reach a determination.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I cannot at this stage say exactly how long that process is going to take.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If it helps the parties, and I hope it will, I think I can say with some certainty that we will not have reached a position where we can call you all back to give a determination ---&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DR OKITIKPI:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Forde read out the extract and Ms Sullivan agreed with the extract.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not quite sure what we are to make of the extract?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is 4-67(a), page 387, the penultimate paragraph.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am happy for you to deal with it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not think it adds significantly to the advice which I gave.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am very happy to endorse it as a statement of the law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no reason why this paragraph should not be shown to the Panel if they wish to look at it, or indeed any of the paragraphs.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes, if they want to see it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We can photocopy the section from section 4-66 onwards, but it is on the transcript.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is fine.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have &lt;b style=""&gt;Archbold&lt;/b&gt; here to which reference has been made and if we wish to look at it we will be able to do so.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I should probably have caught your eye before I embarked on the next stage.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think I can say with certainty that we can release the parties until 2 o’clock on Monday simply because, doing the best that I can at this stage, I think that is a reasonable assessment of a time within which I can say we will not be in a position to have reached a final decision and produced the determination and be in a position to give it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;If, come Friday afternoon, it is apparent to us all that it is not going to be finished even by Monday lunchtime, then we will endeavour to contact all of you and let you know, so if you can make sure the Panel Secretary has contact mobile phone numbers. &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;I think you were indicating, Ms Khan, that we could give an update on Friday in any event and we will endeavour to do that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The Panel will now go into camera for the purpose of deliberating and reaching a determination on the applications which have been made.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Parties, counsel and everybody else involved in the case is released from attendance here until at least 2 o’clock on Monday afternoon, but if it looks as if it might be later than that we will endeavour to get in touch with you and let you know, subject to the need to reconvene if any new legal issue arises.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;STRANGERS THEN, BY DIRECTION FROM THE CHAIR, WITHDREW&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;AND THE PANEL DELIBERATED IN CAMERA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(All parties provisionally released until 2 pm on Monday 19 May 2008)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/1450606269514469573-7147730111341694794?l=henshallhearing.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/feeds/7147730111341694794/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=1450606269514469573&amp;postID=7147730111341694794' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/7147730111341694794'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/1450606269514469573/posts/default/7147730111341694794'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://henshallhearing.blogspot.com/2008/06/day-3-14508-henshall-hearing.html' title='Day 3 14/5/08 Henshall Hearing'/><author><name>.</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1450606269514469573.post-5477801293807488077</id><published>2008-06-19T03:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-19T03:23:16.773-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Transcripts'/><title type='text'>Transcripts of the Hearing - Day 2</title><content type='html'>Now that we have the transcripts of the hearing, we will be posting these online every few days. We start with Day 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;div class="Section1"&gt;  &lt;h1&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h1&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;FITNESS TO PRACTISE PANEL&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(&lt;b style=""&gt;applying the General Medical Council’s Preliminary Proceedings Committee&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;and Professional Conduct Committee (Procedure Rules) 1988&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;On:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Tuesday, 13 May 2008&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Held at:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;St James’s Buildings&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;79 Oxford Street&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Manchester M1 6FQ&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Case of&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;h1&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;STEPHEN ANDREW SPENCER BM BS 1976 University of Nottingham&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h1&gt;  &lt;h2&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Registration No: 2305893&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DAVID PATRICK SOUTHALL MRCS 1971 Royal College of Surgeons of England&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Registration No: 1491739&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MARTIN PHILIP SAMUELS MB BS 1981 University of London&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;b style=""&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Registration No: 2732178&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(&lt;u&gt;Day Two&lt;/u&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Panel Members:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr D Kyle (Chairman)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mrs V Brickley&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mrs S Hollingworth&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Dr T Okitikpi&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Dr M Sheldon&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Mr A Forrest (Legal Assessor)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;--------------------------------------&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR M FORDE, Queen’s Counsel, instructed by RadcliffesLeBrasseur, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of Dr Spencer.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS M O’ROURKE, Counsel, instructed by Hempsons, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of Dr Southall.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR C FOSTER, Counsel, instructed by RadcliffesLeBrasseur, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of Dr Samuels.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS J SULLIVAN, Counsel, instructed by Eversheds, Solicitors, appeared on behalf of the General Medical Council and the Complainants, Mr and Mrs C Henshall.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;--------------------------------------&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Transcript of the shorthand notes of &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Transcribe UK Verbatim Reporting Services Ltd&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Tel No:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;01889 270708&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoTitle"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span style="text-decoration: none;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoTitle"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;INDEX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoTitle" style="text-align: left;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                                                        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;          &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Page&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ALLEGATIONS &lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                           &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;1&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;APPLICATION TO AMEND&lt;span style=""&gt;           &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MS SULLIVAN&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                 &lt;/span&gt; 8&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MR FORDE&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                       &lt;/span&gt; 9&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MS O’ROURKE&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                &lt;/span&gt;10&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MR FOSTER&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                      &lt;/span&gt;10&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: left;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;LEGAL ASSESSOR’S ADVICE&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                 &lt;/span&gt;10&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;DETERMINATION&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                                                      &lt;/span&gt;11&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;ABUSE OF PROCESS APPLICATION&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left; text-indent: 36pt;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;MR FORDE on behalf of Dr Spencer&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                            &lt;/span&gt;17&lt;span style=""&gt;                                &lt;/span&gt;MR FOSTER on behalf of Dr Samuels&lt;span style=""&gt;                                         &lt;/span&gt;51&lt;span style=""&gt;                                                        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: left;" align="left"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoSubtitle" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; text-decoration: none;"&gt;------------------------&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;/div&gt;  &lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Good morning, everybody.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan, could I look to you to start with to let us know where you think we are?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am very grateful for the time that you have given us.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are ready to proceed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is agreed that we should start with the Notice of Hearing being read out.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes, sir.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That opens the inquiry by reading of the existing charges although we all understand that there will subsequently be an application to amend.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Before I ask the Panel Secretary to read out the charges as they currently are, I should formally ask each of the doctors to confirm their name and registration number.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Spencer, could I ask you to stand and confirm your name and registration number?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DR SPENCER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Stephen Andrew Spencer, 2305893.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DR SOUTHALL:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr David Patrick Southall, registration number 1491739.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;DR SAMUELS:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dr Martin Philip Samuels, GMC registration number 2732178.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I will now turn to the Panel Secretary and ask her to read the charges.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE PANEL SECRETARY:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Panel will inquire into the following allegation against &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Dr Stephen Andrew Spencer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;, BM BS 1976 University of Nottingham.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; color: black;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“That being registered under the Medical Act;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;1.         At all material times you were practising as a Consultant Paediatrician at North Staffordshire Hospital, Stoke-on-Trent;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;2.         On 29 November 1989, you applied to the Ethics Committee of the North Staffordshire Royal Infirmary (“the Ethics Committee”) for approval of a trial entitled “A randomised controlled trial of continuous sub-atmospheric (negative) extra thoracic pressure (CNEP) in neonatal respiratory failure.” (“the CNEP trial”);&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -42.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;              3.         The application inaccurately described,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -42.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         the procedures that would be applied to each patient and/or,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            b.          the number of patients that would be required for the trial;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            4.         The design of the trial was such that it did not sufficiently minimise the possibility of bias;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;5.         The trial received Ethics Committee approval on 11 January 1990;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;6.         In or around February 1990, at Queen Charlottes Hospital, a trial patient was found to have experienced neck trauma,  &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         This was an adverse event which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee of both Queen Charlottes and North Staffordshire Hospitals,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to report the matter to the North Staffordshire Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;7.         On 15 May 1990, two changes were made to the scoring system,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         These were changes to the Trial Protocol which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            b.         You failed to report the changes to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;8.         In or around July or August 1991, artificial surfactant was introduced as a treatment option for patients in the trial,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         This was a change to the Trial Protocol which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            b.         You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            9.         On 11 September 1991, the exclusion criteria were amended to include patients were born following prolonged ruptured membranes, providing this was of not more than 7 days’ duration,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         This was an amendment to the Trial Protocol which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            b.         You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            10.       By the time that 100 patients from North Staffordshire had participated in the trial it was apparent that substantially more patients from North Staffordshire would be required to participate,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         This was a change to the Trial Protocol which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 45pt; text-indent: -9pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;11.       In your role as a responsible investigator in the conduct of the CNEP trial you failed to ensure that appropriate procedures were in place to obtain informed parental consent to the patients’ participation in the CNEP trial, in particular,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         You inappropriately delegated the task of taking consent to too many different medical and nursing staff,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to provide adequate training to those taking consent for the trial,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;c.         You misrepresented within the parental information leaflet that the technique had been shown to be safe,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;d.         You failed to ensure that every parent had a copy of the parental information leaflet;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;12.       In your role as a responsible investigator in the conduct of the CNEP trial, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         You used a scoring system that was not validated,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            b.         You failed to ensure that the scores were allocated correctly,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            c.         You failed to ensure that the scores were calculated correctly,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            d.         You failed to ensure that there was an appropriate method of scoring,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            e.       You thereby failed to produce valid results from the trial; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;13.       You co-authored a paper entitled “Continuous Negative Extrathoracic Pressure in Neonatal Respiratory Failure” published in Paediatrics on 6 December 1996 (“the Paediatrics Paper”),&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         The abstract states “The overall outcome score showed an overall significant benefit for CNEP”, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         This statement should not have been made in view of the defects in the scoring system referred to in Head 12 above;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;14.       On 14 December 1992 Patient A was born by Caesarean section at the North Staffordshire Maternity Hospital;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;15.       Following her birth, Patient A was entered into the CNEP trial;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;16.       Between the hours of 00:03 on 15 December 1992 and 12:30 hours on 15 December 1992;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         Patient A’s PO2 level was recorded to be low at levels varying between 4.5 to 4.7,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         Patient A’s oxygen saturation level was recorded to be normal at levels varying between 94% to 99%,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;c.         Patient A’s pH level was recorded at levels between 7.23 and 7.28 suggesting that she was acidotic,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: 18pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;d.         Patient A’s PCO2 level was raised at levels varying between 6.3 to 7.4,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;e.         This combination of results suggested that the oxygen saturation monitor was faulty,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;f.            This combination of results suggested that Patient A was hypoxic,      &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: 1pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;g.         You failed to ensure that the appropriate steps were taken to treat Patient A’s hypoxia until 12:30pm on 15 December 1992;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: 1pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;17.       During your involvement in Patient A’s care, you failed to ensure that appropriate and regular blood pressure checks were undertaken and/or recorded in her notes;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;18.       On 22 December 1992, an ultrasound scan taken of Patient A’s skull was reported to show “increased density on the left. Suspicious of clot attached to the choroid plexus and associated with mild lateral ventricular dilatation”;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         You failed to inform Patient A’s parents of this abnormality,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;19.       On 29 December 1992, a further ultrasound scan taken of Patient A’s skull was reported to show “mild symmetrical dilatation of the lateral ventricles consistent with haemorrhage, although no clot is definitely identified within the ventricular system”,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         You failed to inform Patient A’s parents of this abnormality;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;20.       On 7 January 1993, Patient A was discharged from the Neonatal Unit,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         You failed to arrange for Patient A to have a further ultrasound scan prior to her discharge from the Neonatal Unit;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;21.       Your actions as outlined above were,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         inappropriate,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         inadequate,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;c.         not in the patients’ best interests, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;d.         likely to bring the medical profession into disrepute;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;          &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 6pt; text-indent: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;And that in relation to the facts alleged you have been guilty of serious professional misconduct.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; color: black;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;B&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;         The Panel will inquire into the following allegation against &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Dr David Patrick Southall&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, MRCS 1971 Royal College of Surgeons of England.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; color: black;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“That being registered under the Medical Act;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;1.         At all material times you were practising as a Consultant Paediatrician at the Royal Brompton and North Staffordshire Hospitals;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;2.         On 29 November 1989, you applied to the Ethics Committee of the North Staffordshire Royal Infirmary (“the Ethics Committee”) for approval of a trial entitled “A randomised controlled trial of continuous sub-atmospheric (negative) extra thoracic pressure (CNEP) in neonatal respiratory failure.” (“the CNEP trial”);&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;3.         The application inaccurately described&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         the procedures that would be applied to each patient and/or,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         the number of patients that would be required for the trial;           &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: 1.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;4.        The design of the trial was such that it did not sufficiently minimise the &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: 1.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;possibility of bias;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt; text-indent: -42.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;5.         The trial received Ethics Committee approval on 11 January 1990;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;6.         In or around February 1990, at Queen Charlottes Hospital, a trial patient was found to have experienced neck trauma&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: 1.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.        This was an adverse event which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee of both Queen Charlottes and North Staffordshire Hospitals,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: 1.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: 1.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.        You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee of North Staffordshire Hospital;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: 1.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;7.        On 15 May 1990, two changes were made to the scoring system,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt; text-indent: -42.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         These were changes to the Trial Protocol which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -1.2pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt; text-indent: 6.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;8.         In or around July or August 1991, artificial surfactant was introduced as a treatment option for patients in the trial&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt; text-indent: -42.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         This was a change to the Trial Protocol which should have been &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt; text-indent: -6.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;9.         On 11 September 1991, the exclusion criteria were amended to include patients who were born following prolonged ruptured membranes, providing this was of not more than 7 days duration&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         This was an amendment to the Trial Protocol which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;10.       By the time that 100 patients from North Staffordshire had participated in the trial, it was apparent that substantially more patients from North Staffordshire would be required to participate&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         This was a change to the Trial Protocol which should have been reported to the Ethics Committee,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to report the matter to the Ethics Committee;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;11.       In your role as a responsible investigator in the conduct of the CNEP trial you failed to ensure that appropriate procedures were in place to obtain informed parental consent to the patients’ participation in the CNEP trial, in particular&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         You inappropriately delegated the task of taking consent to too many different medical and nursing staff,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to provide adequate training to those taking consent for the trial,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;c.         You misrepresented within the parental information leaflet that the technique had been shown to be safe,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;d.         You failed to ensure that every parent had a copy of the parental information leaflet;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;12.       In your role as a responsible investigator in the conduct of the CNEP trial&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         You used a scoring system that was not validated,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to ensure that the scores were allocated correctly,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;c.         You failed to ensure that the scores were calculated correctly,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;d.         You failed to ensure that there was an appropriate method of scoring,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;e.         You thereby failed to produce valid results from the trial;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;13.       You co-authored a paper entitled “Continuous Negative Extrathoracic Pressure in Neonatal Respiratory Failure” published in Paediatrics on &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;6 December 1996 (“the Paediatrics Paper”)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         The abstract states “The overall outcome score showed an overall significant benefit for CNEP”,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         This statement should not have been made in view of the defects in the scoring system referred to in Head 12 above;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 21.3pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;14.       Your actions as outlined above were&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         inappropriate,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         inadequate,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;c.         not in the patients’ best interests,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;d.         likely to bring the medical profession into disrepute;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 6pt; text-indent: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;And that in relation to the facts alleged you have been guilty of serious professional misconduct.” &lt;b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;C&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;         The Panel will inquire into the following allegation against &lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Dr Martin Philip Samuels&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, MB BS 1981 University of London.&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“That being registered under the Medical Act;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;1.         At all material times you were practising as a paediatrician at the Royal Brompton and North Staffordshire Hospitals;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;2.         In 1990 a trial was commenced to determine the benefit or otherwise of continuous negative extrathoracic pressure (CNEP) in babies with respiratory failure (“the CNEP trial”);&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;3.         In your role as an administrator of the CNEP trial you failed to ensure that appropriate procedures were in place to obtain informed parental consent to the patients’ participation in the CNEP trial, in particular,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         You inappropriately delegated the task of taking consent to too many different medical and nursing staff,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         You failed to provide adequate training to those taking consent for the trial,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;c.         You misrepresented within the parental information leaflet that the technique had been shown to be safe,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;d.         You failed to ensure that every parent had a copy of the parental information leaflet;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;4.         In your role as an administrator of the CNEP trial,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         You used a scoring system that was not validated,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            b.         You failed to ensure that the scores were allocated correctly,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            c.         You failed to ensure that the scores were calculated correctly,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            d.         You failed to ensure that there was an appropriate method of scoring,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            e.         You thereby failed to produce valid results from the trial;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;5.         You co-authored a paper entitled “Continuous Negative Extrathoracic Pressure in Neonatal Respiratory Failure” published in Paediatrics on 6 December 1996 (“the Paediatrics Paper”),&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;a.         The abstract states “The overall outcome score showed an overall significant benefit for CNEP”,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;b.         This statement should not have been made in view of the defects in the scoring system referred to in Head 4 above;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -42.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;              6.         Your actions as outlined above were,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -42.55pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            a.         inappropriate,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            b.         inadequate,&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            c.         not in the patients’ best interests, &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;            d.         likely to bring the medical profession into disrepute;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 6pt 36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;And that in relation to the facts alleged you have been guilty of serious professional misconduct.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I can indicate that since last Thursday I have been able to take instructions in relation to the charge and can say that in the light of Professor Hutton’s evidence – you will recall that Professor Hutton is a medical statistician – on behalf of the complainants and the GMC we will not be pursuing the following heads of charge.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The numbers are the same in relation to Drs Spencer and Southall and the heads of charge that are not being pursued are 3(b), 4, 10, 12(a), (c) and (e) and 13 in its entirety.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In relation to Dr Samuels the heads of charge that are no longer being pursued in relation to him are head 4(a), (c) and (e) and head 5 in its entirety.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;All my learned friends are aware of this because I was able to notify them of this shortly after midday on Friday.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In addition there are a couple of typographical errors to correct.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You may have noticed in head 14 of the charge faced by Dr Spencer “caesarean” is incorrectly spelt and I proposed to amend that so that it is spelt correctly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There should in fact be an “s” on the reference to “Ethics Committee” and it should be “Ethics Committees” in head of charge 6 as it relates to Drs Spencer and Southall.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The copy I have already has an “s” on.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The other was the spelling of “caesarean” which should be “ean” rather than “ian”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is right.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those are obviously minor matters.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The other matter, and I have notified Mr Forde of this, is that instead of referring to Patient A and these are the heads of charge relating to Dr Spencer from head 14 onwards, we are going to refer to her as Patient 6 because that accords with the numbering of patients who will be referred to in the course of the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;I think an amended charge will be available to you so that you do not have to go through this one and correct it at each stage in the heads of charge.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinA" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Finally, Ms O’Rourke has reminded me of one other matter, so I might as well deal with it now.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The date in head 5 of the charge, faced again by Doctors Spencer and Southall, should be 10 January not 11 January.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I cannot imagine there is any real objection to that, but I am sure my learned friends will say.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the Council’s position.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you very much, Ms O’Sullivan. Mr Forde.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It may be a forlorn hope, but it may be of assistance to those who sit at the back of the room to indicate what the impact of these changes is upon that which these doctors face.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no objection to the amendments themselves, but it is clear from the Notice of Inquiry that I have that the General Medical Council are no longer pursuing an allegation that the original application to the ethics committee inaccurately described the number of patients that would required for the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is as a result of Professor Hutton’s involvement.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She was not prepared to support that allegation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;No longer pursued against my client is an allegation that: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin-right: 36.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin-right: 36.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The design of the trial was such that it did not sufficiently minimise the possibility of bias.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In addition to charge 10, the suggestion that because substantially more than one hundred patients would be required to participate in the trial, that was a change that should have been notified to the ethics committee and there was a failure to report the matter. That is no longer pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In relation to the scoring system, which unfortunately it looks as if you will be asked to look at, in the light that you feel this matter can be fairly dealt with, in some instances eighteen years after the event, the allegation that the system was not validated is no longer pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The allegation that the scores were not calculated correctly is no longer pursued and, perhaps most importantly, the allegation that, by reason of those facts, we failed to produce valid results of the trial, as I understand it, is no longer pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;There is no issue before you now that the paper published in 1996 entitled “Continuous Negative Extrathoracic Pressure in Neonatal Respiratory Failure” was in any way, shape or form inaccurate or capable of being criticised.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That has specifically been abandoned as a head of charge.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You should be aware that Professor Hutton did not appear to support the allegations between paragraphs 6 and 9, but my understanding is that my learned friend will seek to rely upon other experts in that regard.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Those are the only comments I wish to make at this stage.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS O’ROURKE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As your Legal Assessor will undoubtedly advise you, the test that you have to apply in making amendments is whether, in making these amendments, any injustice would be caused to the practitioner.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We cannot say that injustice will be caused by the dropping of the charges because clearly that would not be the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed it would be justice being done to the practitioner because the charges are dropped because there is no merit in their substance and no evidence to support them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;All I say on behalf of Dr Southall is that it is extremely regrettable that we have these charges dropped on what would have been Day 4 of the hearing, in a case where a complaint was first made to the General Medical Council in 1997 and it has been under consideration with the doctors since 2001.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For a period of seven years Dr Southall has had aimed at him a number of charges which the GMC now admits it has no evidence to support.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He has suffered injustice as a result of those charges remaining against him until now, not least in recent weeks because we have been putting our preparation towards preparing to meet charges that we now effectively have accepted are of no substance and no merit.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes, sir, you should allow those amendments because to leave them on the Notice of Inquiry in circumstances where there is no evidence, would serve no purpose.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The injustice is passed and it would be justice now to remove them.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I associate Dr Samuels with the expressions of regret and I do not object to them.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you very much, everybody.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Legal Assessor? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, since this is the first time I have spoken, I take the opportunity to remind the Panel that what I give is advice to the Panel.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Panel is free to disagree with any of the advice which I give at any stage of this inquiry.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The Panel is dealing with the matter under the old rules.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The relevant rule is 24(4): &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin-right: 36.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Where at any stage of the inquiry it appears to the Panel that a charge should be amended, the Panel may, after the hearing the parties and consulting the Legal Assessor, if they are satisfied that no injustice would be caused, make such amendments to the charges if they appear desirable.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I simply comment that Miss O’Rourke gave you half the test.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not a case of no injustice to the doctor, it is no injustice to the world at large.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Everyone must bear in mind that at this stage the Panel has seen no witness statements and no documents in relation to the case other than the charge sheet.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In those circumstances, since Ms Sullivan represents both the GMC and has taken instructions, as she tells us, from the Henshalls, it may be that she is the best judge of injustice towards those parties and indeed to the world at large.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You have heard that, on behalf of the doctors, none consider that they would suffer any injustice.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In those circumstances it is open to the Panel to make the amendments.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It should not do so merely as a matter of form, but I suggest to the Panel that they should discuss the matter, albeit perhaps briefly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you, sir.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are one or two amendments which might be regarded as technical in the sense that they are changing an “A” to a “6” and some typographical ones, but the indication that the GMC would wish not to proceed with some of the charges in the way that has been described, is a matter of significance which the Panel would wish to discuss and so we will go into camera and do that, so if everybody but the Panel could retire, please. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You mentioned paragraph 10, is that paragraph 10 in its entirety?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In its entirety.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am sorry if I did not make that clear.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;STRANGERS WITHDREW, BY DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;AND THE PANEL DELIBERATED IN CAMERA&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;STRANGERS HAVING BEEN READMITTED&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt; text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;D E T E R M I N A T I O N&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan, the Panel has given consideration to your application to amend the charges.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The Panel understands that you can make such amendments as appear necessary or desirable provided we are satisfied that no injustice would thereby be caused. We have accepted the Legal Assessor’s advice about the impact of injustice in the evidence of the practitioners, but it is apparent to us that the amendments which are requested would not cause injustice to the practitioners.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, counsel for all three doctors have suggested that they would have the contrary effect.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So far as the wider interests of injustice are concerned, we have taken into account that you have made your own evaluation of Professor Hutton’s evidence, which appears to be the trigger for the application, and prior to making your application you have taken instructions from the General Medical Council and the complainants.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That being the case, the Panel is happy that no injustice would be caused within the terms of the rules and therefore determined that the requested amendments should be made.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I think at this stage it would be appropriate, having reached that determination, that, for the record, I should indicate what those amendments are.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I do that, I shall also rely on the Panel secretary to jump in – and I also invite anyone else to correct me – if I omit anything.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As I understand it copies of the charges, as amended, have been prepared and they will retain the same numbering so there will be some gaps in the numbering of the amended version.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Dealing first with the allegations against Dr Spencer.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Charge 3(b) in its entirety will be withdrawn;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Charge 4 is withdrawn; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So far as 5 is concerned, that should be amended to read “10 January”; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;So far as 6(a) is concerned, that should be amended so that it refers to: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin-right: 36.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“... the Ethics Committees (in the plural) of both Queen Charlottes and North Staffordshire Hospitals.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Parenthetical" style="margin-right: 36.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Charge 10 has been withdrawn in its entirety; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Charge 12 allegations (a), (c) and (e) have been withdrawn; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Charge 13 has been withdrawn in its entirety; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Charge 14, the reference to “Patient A” should be replaced by a reference to “Patient 6” and the word “caesarean” should be amended so it is correctly spelt with an “e” rather than an “i”; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Charges 15 to 20 is concerned, ever every time there is a reference to “Patient A”, that will be replaced with a reference to “Patient 6”.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Moving on to the allegations against Dr Southall: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 3(b) is withdrawn; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 4 is withdrawn; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 5 is amended to read “10 January” rather than “11 January”; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 6(a) is amended so it refers to the Ethics Committees in the plural; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 10 is withdrawn by the GMC;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 12(a), (c) and (e) are withdrawn by the GMC; and&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 13 in its entirety is withdrawn by the GMC.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Finally the allegations against Dr Samuels:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 4(a), (c) and (e) are withdrawn by the GMC; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Allegation 5 in its entirety is withdrawn by the GMC.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I think after an early error in my reading, that places correctly on the record the amendments which have been made.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is right, sir.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are still in the process of the proceedings where we are dealing with rule 24 which permits any practitioner who has any objections to the charges on grounds of law to make such objection at this point.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If I am right about that, perhaps I can invite any such objections.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="0Style" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS O’ROURKE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Before Mr Forde and Mr Foster on behalf of their clients make objections, as I indicated last Thursday when we started, I am not making any objections.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am rising to my feet therefore for two purposes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First, to explain why I am not, so that it does not cast any aspersions or anything else on any application about to be made and, secondly, to see whether my client might be excused from the inquiry for the next couple of days if you are to be considering those submissions in respect of objections to the charges.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It seems that neither of us might be required, but I might choose to stay in order to hear what is said and ensure that no documentation is referred to which might later prejudice my client.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In respect of the applications about to be made, Dr Southall is not supporting them, not because he does not think there is any merit in them, but he believes, as it is going to be asserted in due course, that there has been inordinate and inexcusable delay on the part of the General Medical Council in bringing these matters to a hearing now in 2008 when they relate to events going back to 1989 and terminating in 1992 and 1993.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Dr Southall believes this delay cannot be explained and justified and most of it lies at the door of the GMC itself and, indeed, the complainants.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But for his part, in order to make objections as a matter of law, he would be happy to assert that there is no prejudice to him that would not guarantee him a fair trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He believes that with the allegations as now worded he can have a fair trial and can defeat the allegations one by one on their merits.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is what he wishes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He wishes to defeat it by my cross‑examination, on his behalf, of the witnesses who attempt to support these charges if we get there.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I highlight that because it may be, as far as we are concerned, we save our fire for the half‑time submission stage, if we get there, and if he goes into the witness box to defend these charges.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is why we do not join in the applications.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That should not be taken in any way to say these applications are wrong, and that we do not support them, should members of the press choose to make any such point.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We do not join in because he chooses to instruct me to cross‑examine the witnesses to show that these charges are hollow and baseless and that is what I would be doing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Secondly, in the circumstances, I may choose on his behalf to stay and listen, but Dr Southall no longer lives in this area of the country. He is therefore having to find himself hotel accommodation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We anticipate that these objections are on grounds of law and will take most of today and tomorrow and then the Panel will need time for determination.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We ask, in the circumstances, that he is able to leave, bearing in mind he is securing accommodation in the locality and that you would excuse his presence. He is not required at any stage in the inquiry, but it may seem to be discourteous to absent himself and be somewhere else.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In the circumstances we are now about to embark on a couple of days hearing of legal submissions, he would like to excuse himself with no disrespect meant to the Panel.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;As to my position, I would like to be excused, if I choose to be excused.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It may be I will stay today and part of tomorrow to hear what is said and what documentation is put before the Panel, but it is highly unlikely because I am not making any submissions and I have no right to say anything unless there is a document that goes in and it is a document you will have when we come to the next stage in the inquiry.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Colloquy" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Certainly, unless I see any indication from any of my colleagues, I do not think we will feel in any way offended or any disrespect by Dr Southall if he chooses, as he is entitled, not to be present during submissions in which you have indicated he is not actively participating.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="ContinCol" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Of course it is a matter for you whether you choose to stay or not in those circumstances.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It may be that it might be sensible if we hear briefly from Mr Forde and Mr Foster before they embark on their submissions as to how long they are going to take to ensure that if Dr Southall is away from Manchester that he is back at a time when proceedings are likely to resume.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Forde, can you give us any help as to how long you are likely to be? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="Fixed" style="margin-right: 0.05pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I may well take the rest of the day.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am sorry if that seems daunting.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no need to apologise.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am undertaking the burden of the scene setting so that Mr Foster does not have to duplicate that work, and I am hoping that you will then have available to you a fairly comprehensive transcript, which should ultimately lighten your load.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a helpful indication.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Foster.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FOSTER: &lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Sir, I shall be no more than an hour.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I will look to my colleagues as to whether they feel anything different from what I am about to say, in which case we can consider the matter further, but it seems to me that, on that indication, it is safe to assume that with the submissions that you are both going to make and the consideration that the Panel will need to give to matters, it is unlikely in a realistic sense that we shall be resuming the hearing, in whatever form it then may take, until Thursday morning.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, there is something that you have not factored in.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am sure that Ms Sullivan will want to reply to our submissions and I can see that taking her either a morning or an afternoon session.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We then have the ability to respond on points of law, and I am certainly more than happy at any stage for the Panel to require me to answer any questions on any point of clarification either directly or through the learned Legal Assessor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have made available our skeleton arguments electronically because again we appreciate that it is far better for you to be able to factor into your determination some of the non-controversial aspects of that which we are going to say, so again we are hoping that that will speed up matters.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have already commented to those of us on this side that the considerable burden that you will have is in determining these applications in far less time than the Court of Appeal took to determine the judicial review, and it will not be an easy task for either you or your learned Legal Assessor, but we will do the best we can to assist.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS O’ROURKE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, can I just indicate that when we all discussed it among ourselves we were thinking in terms of the matter perhaps not resuming until sometime mid-Friday and therefore more likely Monday?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As Mr Forde says, it is a question of him making submissions for the rest of the day, Mr Foster then makes his tomorrow morning, Ms Sullivan then replies, and I have had the advantage that you, of course, have not, of seeing that she refers to completely different case authorities from those that my learned friends refer to, so you will have different case authorities put to you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There will then be a question of both of them having a right to reply, Mr Forde says on matters of law, but certainly my experience of similar applications is that they have a much wider right to reply, should they choose take it, and your Legal Assessor can advise on that, but they are not restricted to points of law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then, of course, your Legal Assessor has to give you advice and the Panel has to retire.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course, you have to make two decisions and the decision will not necessarily stand the same for both practitioners, and of course you may have to make individual decisions in respect of certain heads of charges.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, looking at it all together, I think we thought that you may be ready to resume at some stage on Friday, but more realistically it may be that if that were the case and we were only about to start again on Friday afternoon, it would be more sensible to say that we should start clean on Monday morning with the re-reading of whatever charges are left, so that the practitioners can make relevant admissions at that stage of time and Ms Sullivan can open her case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, it was on that basis that I made the application that Dr Southall effectively be told that he can go away from Manchester and probably not have to reappear until Monday.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course, if matters moved a lot quicker than that, telephone communication is such that we could call him back from wherever he is to attend, but I think that is how we saw it going in terms of having the benefit of the skeleton ---&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, I wonder if I may just interrupt.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Are you actually asking that the Panel, if it finishes early, should adjourn until Professor Southall comes back, or are you just saying that that is your best plan, that he will keep in telephone contact and come back?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MISS O’ROURKE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He will keep in telephone contact, but if say you finished and delivered your decision on these matters on Friday morning, that you were going to hand down your ruling, it would seem that no real time would then be lost by bringing him back for 12 noon on Friday to have Ms Sullivan at that stage start to open her case, that it would in all the circumstances be better to leave it until Monday morning.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Apart from anything else, when you hand down your determination, I would guess that both Mr Forde and Mr Foster may wish to have time to absorb and consider it, and indeed possibly their next move, but that is obviously for them to say.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;If, of course, you thought that you were going to reach your determination by midday on Thursday, I would not be asking for you to adjourn it and we should get on with it; but, looking at it realistically, if Mr Forde is going to take the rest of today, Mr Foster will be a little while tomorrow morning and Ms Sullivan will have to reply, on the timetable and having read the skeleton arguments that I have, I cannot see how the Panel will retire to consider its position until sometime on Thursday, and therefore it would seem very unlikely that you will hand down a determination, which you will have to put in writing and with reasons, before sometime on Friday, and if that is the case, it would seem in the circumstances that to start at 2 o’clock on Friday would gain very little, bearing in mind the weekend.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;However, if that is the case and Dr Southall is asked to come back for Friday lunchtime, so be it, but I am simply saying that if it reaches that stage it would seem more sensible to say that we will have a clean start on Monday morning and take it all in one go.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you, Miss O’Rourke, for stopping me running away with myself in making what might be a somewhat hasty calculation of where we may be.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan, I should have asked whether you have anything to add and now stop me running away with myself.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, obviously it is impossible to predict how long you will take, but given that Dr Southall can stay in contact with Miss O’Rourke and his instructing solicitors, if he is needed to come back, I am sure that he can come back.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Otherwise, sir, I cannot see a problem.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you very much.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I suspect that as you have all had an opportunity of considering the situation among yourselves, you are at the moment in a better position than we to assess how long this is likely to take.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Unless I receive any contrary indication from any of my colleagues, it seems that the sensible thing to do is to go along with the assessment that is made, which would tend to suggest that we are not going to move to the next stage, whatever that may be and in whatever form it may be, until the beginning of next week, but if anything changes radically, as Dr Southall has indicated, he would be available.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Are all Panel members happy with that? (&lt;i style=""&gt;Non-verbal assent&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In that case, Dr Southall, with no feeling of offence on the part of the Panel, please feel free to absent yourself if you wish.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course, you do not have to, but if you wish to, you can, with a view to coming back here on Monday morning.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, just before the doctor leaves, I wonder whether I might interrupt.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Sullivan, I have just been looking through the finalised charge sheet that has been handed to me.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Looking at paragraph 3a – and this is of some importance because I think it has probably been handed to the press as well – as it concerns both Dr Spencer and Dr Southall ---&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes, something has gone wrong.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Something has crept in.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is a patient number there.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The original read, “the procedures that would be applied to each patient and/or” and a number 6 has crept in there.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It has.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I think that it should read, “The application inaccurately described the procedures that would be applied to each patient”, because, of course, we do not need the “and/or” any more.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE LEGAL ASSESSOR:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So it should end with “each patient”?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In the absence of any objection or contrary indication from anyone, the charge at 3a in relation to Drs Spencer and Dr Southall will be amended so that it reads, “the procedures that would be applied to each patient”.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;" align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;(&lt;i style=""&gt;Dr Southall withdrew&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Forde, unless there is any pressing reason not to do so, we will continue now until 1 o’clock or some convenient point at about that time to break for lunch.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, first of all, can I ask that a copy of my skeleton argument be distributed to you?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(&lt;i style=""&gt;Same &lt;/i&gt;handed)&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As we have three doctors whose surnames all begin with S, it is a bit of a challenge to decide whether they should be D1 and following or prefixed with the letter ‘S’.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My client, as you will see from the notes, is denoted as SAS.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not know whether you want to give his exhibits that lettering.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ms Khan’s view is that so far as the submission of exhibits on behalf of the practitioners is concerned, it would be easier just to give them running D numbers. This will therefore be D1, and it should not be too difficult thereafter to identify the document as necessary and its source, so we will call your skeleton argument D1.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Thank you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In that respect then, it seems sensible to Mr Foster and I that you also have a copy of his skeleton argument, which will be D2, because we agree on certain matters and I will be adopting certain points that he has made, and vice versa.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(&lt;i style=""&gt;Same handed&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, I have supplied and paginated a 75-page bundle, which I do not need to refer to for a little while.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do not know whether that has been copied for you.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then perhaps we can have copies made of that bundle.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If I can just explain what the bundle comprises, it is really all the interaction between Dr Spencer and officers of the General Medical Council since about the year 2000 or 2001, as well as the document that appears to us – and we do not know whether there is any earlier document – to indicate that the Henshalls first contacted the General Medical Council in April 1997.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My original bundle went up to 2004.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I have now found the documents that take us right up to date in 2006, so we will paginate those consecutively.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Mr Foster has a section in his skeleton argument about legitimate expectation, and we have available for you as well, but I will probably ask that it be distributed a little later, another bundle that comprises various representations made by officers of the General Medical Council, including the Chief Executive, expressing regret that the matter has taken so long and placing the blame very fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the General Medical Council.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Sir, if I can deal with the skeleton, the Notice of Inquiry that we received in its final form was on 8 April 2008, lamentably close, in my submission, to the proposed date of the hearing of 8 May 2008.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We still find ourselves being supplied with material not denoted as used or unused as recently as the end of last week, which has made preparation for this case a little difficult, but you will see from the second paragraph of my skeleton that you are being asked to deal with events that took place between nearly 18 and a half and 15 and a half years ago, and that causes obvious difficulties for the doctor.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Perhaps the best example that I can give, whilst you have the Notice of Inquiry in front of you, relates to your new charge 16, which, as you can see from the stem, requires my client to justify clinical care between three minutes past midnight and 12.30 in the afternoon of 15 December 1992.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;All I can tell you about his involvement on that date is that it was a Tuesday and that my client was probably asleep for more than half the period of time, but there are obviously very real difficulties in reconstructing his movements on that date – hospital rotas, the timing of clinics and matters of that sort.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is just a stark example of the sort of difficulty that we face.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have described the delay in dealing with this matter as unconscionable and I stand by that submission.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;None of it is the responsibility of this doctor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Neither have we ever had, as I will be submitting the law requires, a sensible explanation for the considerable delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is possible to discern reasons as a result of the slow progress of the administration of this case, but we have never had a constructive and still await a constructive explanation of the delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We have the advantage over you in having read the witness statements, but I do not think it is contentious that recollections have faded dramatically.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Some of the witness statements with which we have been served seem to have been signed this January and ask patients to recall events in the late 80s and early 90s, and their recollections have faded.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In our submission, it is well known within medicine that it is often very difficult to get patients to recall matters such as informed consent even a very few years after the event.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So there is a very real issue in this case as to whether or not there can be a fair trial of the issues in relation to fading recollections. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;This is probably as old a case as any panel has had to deal with.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is interesting to note that obviously your rules changed in 2004; many of you will have been trained, I suspect, in relation to those rules; some of you may even during the process of consultation in relation to the standard of proof have been trained in relation to the sliding scale, and you will have to remove from your consideration the new regime.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Documentation may well have been lost, including likely contemporaneous correspondence between relevant medical staff and investigators.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My client believes that there may have been some documentation emanating from him dealing with matters such as scoring with the other doctors.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are aware, thanks to the assistance of Miss O’Rourke, that it appears that there were meetings, which were minuted, and that the minutes have gone missing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The GMC apparently propose to call in relation to the 1989 application (your charge 2 so far as my client is concerned) and its approval (charge 5) a witness who purports to tell us that she is quite satisfied that nothing is missing as a result of matters being archived for an inquiry that took place in 2000, but she did start working at the hospital until 1994, five years after the events in question.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We also lack any contemporaneous documentation in relation to any changes to trial protocols.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again my client is struggling to recall whether in fact he spoke to the chairman of the local Ethics Committee, either in passing in corridors or more formally, in 1989 or 1990, but believes that there may be in or have been in existence minutes that have now been lost.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He also believes that he commented on drafts of the medical paper, but that is not an allegation that is now being pursued, so I can move swiftly on from that&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;There are concerns about scans, particularly ultrasound scans; they form the latter part of the charges.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We have not seen the originals of those scans.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have seen reports of the scans which are quoted in the charges but I have absolutely no way of demonstrating on this doctor’s behalf whether or not those reports found their way into the notes on any date when he was responsible for the clinical care of Patient 6 or not.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He may have had other clinical duties.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That information may have been gained by radiology departments, junior doctors and appropriately delegated, so we are struggling in relation to the charges that you have set out at paragraphs 18 and 19 in particular.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Witnesses will have to attempt not only to reconstruct events, and this is a very real concern on our part, but to recall, as I have set out, the subtleties, nuances and prevailing medical culture at the time of the matters the subject of these proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is a concern because after acquired knowledge and current standards are likely to taint the views, both of experts and witnesses.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;A lot of people are going to be extremely defensive and a number of practitioners that the General Medical Council is going to call about their role back in 1989/1990.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will see from the document that is being copied at the moment that there are a number of doctors against whom the Henshalls initially made complaints – eight or nine in all – and some of them will feature as General Medical Council witnesses, perhaps surprisingly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are going to have to suggest to some of them that these clinical responsibilities may well have been theirs because that is what the notes appear to indicate.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It will be difficult for them in the knowledge that they were once the subject of criticism and in the knowledge that standards may be very different now not to allow that to colour their evidence.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;These matters have already been in terms of the central facts twice investigated.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There was an inquiry which we do not regard as being a well thought out inquiry by Griffiths in 2000 and Professor Hull, commissioned by the North Staffordshire Health Authority also provided a report which certainly in relation to consent suggested that something in excess of 90 per cent of the patients recalled being adequately consented.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The General Medical Council’s proposal, as I understand it, is only to call those patients who do not have a good recollection of the consenting process or who say adamantly that they were not able to give informed consent.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I deal with the outline facts in paragraph 2 and they are important because of both the timescale and what I say about the prevailing culture.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I deal with my client’s acceptance he was a consultant paediatrician at the Neonatal Unit of the North Staffordshire Hospital.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He qualified in 1976 and he had been a consultant since 1985, so these events took place three or four years after he became a consultant.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;He came to this trial in the sense that it is believed the randomised study of what we will all become familiar with as “CNEP” commenced in 1984 and it would appear that in 1989 Dr Southall sought to recruit other centres to the trial and two centres expressed a particular interest – Queen Charlottes Hospital, whose investigators were Drs Modi and Harvey, and I say in passing they were the subject of allegations made by the Henshalls and represented by the Medical Protection Society but no longer pursued, and Drs Brookfield and Spencer were the responsible investigators at North Staffordshire and the relevant nurses were Wright and Lockyer, who were specifically trained to deal with CNEP.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is also important to recognise at this time the neonatal departments were staffed by highly skilled, highly qualified nursing staff.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are an entirely different calibre, in my submission, to those that operate within other areas of the hospital and they are usually assiduous in their duties as we shall see from the nursing care plan in due course.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We applied, on 29 November 1989, to our Local Research Ethics Committee.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The whole process at this time, it seems to be accepted by all, was a fairly fledgling one in terms of medical ethics.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Standards were extremely variable between district health authorities.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, it will be difficult for us to reconstruct the prevailing culture at the time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The General Medical Council experts attempted to do so through various papers but it is quite clear that standards were extremely variable and there is a very real concern on this side of the room that we may be judged not by 1989/1990 standards, but by the standards of 2008.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I then set out further matters of history on that page but it is important for you to be aware of the fact that the Staffordshire Hospital recruited infants between April 1990 and October 1993 and there is complaint about the fact that they continued the trial for longer than some other centres.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The aim of the study was to determine the benefit or otherwise of CNEP in babies with respiratory failure in an attempt to determine whether CNEP reduced 10 markers of disease in the newborn infant.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those were markers that Dr Southall had determined.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Again, of importance when one is dealing with issues of informed consent and recollection is the fact that the entry criteria required suitable infants who had developed a need for oxygen within four hours of birth.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, the subtleties and nuances of the late 1980s, early 1990s, are unlikely to be capable of being demonstrated.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There was identifiably a more paternalistic approach to neonatology than there is now, a real concern not to worry patients.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We now know with various patient groups and agitation that the whole process of informed consent has changed dramatically in the last four or five years, but at this stage the intention of these doctors at all material times was to try and benefit these children.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I emphasise the fact that many of them were extremely ill and extremely premature and it is not suggested by the General Medical Council through these charges that any active harm was caused to anybody within North Staffordshire.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is a concern about one child with neck trauma and how that was dealt with but it is certainly our case that that was not an adverse event.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Remarkably, despite the reporting, this case, as I indicated, is not about, as the Henshalls have been at pains to establish as you will see through the documentation, the death of their daughter in 1992 and the unfortunate brain damage sustained by Patient 6.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is the case that the Henshalls are anxious to bring before you.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not the case that is pursued by the General Medical Council.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have indicated that the explanation of the practicalities is to be found in the Parents’ Information Leaflet and there is an issue as to whether that was handed to each and every patient.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, the burden that the GMC seek to place upon Dr Spencer is onerous and unrealistic.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In charge 11(d) it is said that this doctor should have ensured that every parent had a copy of the parental information leaflet.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was a task sensibly delegated to junior doctors and trained nurses and in certain of the notes we have a note that the Parents’ Information Leaflet was given and a tick, but it cannot be the case, in my submission, that a consultant in this position with more duties than CNEP had a duty to ensure that every single parent had received the relevant form, particularly as you will be aware that children are born at all hours.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Many of these children were born in the early hours of the morning when my client was not on duty and they had to be in the trial within four hours of birth.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is another example, in my submission, of the difficulties of this case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have set out what was said in lay terms – I hope it is useful – about CNEP.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Some of you will be aware that the conventional way of ventilating children with respiratory difficulties was to do so through intermittent positive pressure.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That of itself can damage the lungs because the oxygen is forced into the lungs under pressure.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The theory behind CNEP was that if you placed a chamber rather like an iron lung, and you will see photographs of the baby’s head just poking through and it being in a chamber, and created a situation of negative pressure, that that might assist the respiration of the child and reduce the length of time the child was in respiratory distress.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was the theory.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will see in due course photographs.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is hardly anything one can imagine more dramatic than seeing a child who is encased in the chamber and it makes it all the more remarkable that some of the parents are likely to say we understand that they did not know that their infants had been entered into a trial, but visually it would have been of tremendous impact.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The approval was given on 11 January 1990 and on 22 March the Medical Research Council gave the study an alpha rating, one of the highest possible.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Far from being a poorly-conducted trial, or one that was administratively deficient, it was seen by those dealing with it at the time as a first-class trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is something which should weigh heavily with you in the exercise of your discretion.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You see Patient 6’s mother referred to.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She was known by a different name at the time, then aged 28, an experienced mother who had had 11 previous pregnancies and had delivered seven children between 28 and 40 weeks gestation and had a previous child in CNEP who unfortunately died at the age of 10 months due to extreme prematurity, possibly associated with intrauterine infection, not a product of CNEP, although it would appear as recently as last Friday I have seen a newspaper report where the Henshalls hold to the view that there is a causative relationship between the use of CNEP and the unfortunate demise of one child and the brain damaging events suffered by another.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We know from witness statements and the lengthy letters that have been written on my client’s behalf that a Dr Clare Newell, then an SHO, entered Patient 6 into the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Appropriate consent was taken by her and she has provided a witness statement to that effect.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She was concerned about respiratory distress syndrome and the child was in CNEP for 112 hours and then went into air, discharged home aged 24 days on 7 January 1993.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I have made an error.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I said that the previous child died after 10 months.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was 10 months before and she died after a couple of days and I apologise for that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;What was happening in the background after 7 January 1993?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At 22 months, according to my researches, so nearly at the age of two, Patient 6 was found to have quadriplegia but her mother had been expressing concern about her development from late 1993 and clearly relating her late development to CNEP.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The family pursued medico-legal proceedings as far as they could and as far as we are aware sought the advice of many eminent doctors, none of whom were prepared to support the contention which they have always held to that there was a causative relationship between Patient 6’s brain injury and CNEP.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are not sure when they first consulted solicitors but we have seen a report dated November 1995 which is not supportive of any allegation of negligence.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Matters did not rest there.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The family appear to have, in conjunction with other parents, sought still to pursue the matter.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There were meetings that took place between them and Dr Spencer which I shall come to in a moment.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps of importance dealing with the issue of delay, given my learned friend’s view of whom she represents, is the fact that as we know by late 1995 a report had been commissioned, it is suggested by myself, I think supported by Mr Foster in his skeleton in paragraph 3.2, that they were questioning the use of CNEP in late 1994, early 1995, 13 years ago.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The General Medical Council were aware of complaints against a multiplicity of doctors from 1997, 11 years ago.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The General Medical Council for the purposes of this application are saddled with the Henshalls’ delay.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It has nothing to do with the doctor.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We were busy cooperating and when they attended outpatients, which they did not always do, we consulted with them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;North Staffordshire made themselves available in various guises but for some reason they did nothing between 1995 and 1997, it would appear, so that is two years’ delay, which is regrettable.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;In March 1997 they attended a meeting with Dr Spencer and others to discuss their concerns regarding CNEP.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The documents are not yet available so I will take you back to them in due course.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The minutes of that meeting indicates that they were pursuing medic-legal proceedings.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In February 1999 a review of research procedures was set up by the Department of Health, now known as the Griffiths Report, and it reported in May 2000.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We say it was demonstrably flawed, but putting that to one side much of it really was to try and set up a watershed in relation to research across the board because there had been no real bringing together of the practice of practitioners.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is some 10 to 11 years after the initial application.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;As far as we can discern, part of the reason why the GMC did nothing between 1997 and 2000 is because they were waiting to see what was happening with the Griffiths’ report, and certainly recent case law suggests that that is not a justifiable excuse.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They should have progressed their own enquiries during that three year period.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Henshalls we say two years, GMC another three years, we are up to five years now of unconscionable delay by 1997, and of course we are now 11 years on almost to the day since they were seized of the matter in 1997.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;I wonder if those bundles could be distributed now, please?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We will call these D1(A), Mr Forde.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;(Documents handed)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That should be numbered 1-75 and we have now copied 76-88 which takes us up to date.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I had not appreciated – I do not know whether there is any objection being raised – that my highlighting seems to have come out on your initial photocopy.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Please ignore it. You will obviously reach your own decision.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It has not come out on the supplementary bundle.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My understanding was that the highlighter I used did not photocopy.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MS SULLIVAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sir, I am sure you will come to your own conclusions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is not highlighted throughout.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;On a very quick flick through it seems to be two particular documents.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are obviously going to be looking at it for some time and if you want to replace these at any stage with a clean copy ---&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Let’s see what we can do.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The very first page is the meeting that I refer to as a footnote on page 5 of my skeleton, the meeting of 18 March 1997.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We will call the second bundle D1(B).&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=""&gt;(Documents handed)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The next document at this stage you will see is there to establish the Henshalls’ concerns going back to March 1997 and the nature of their concerns which change unfortunately throughout this matter, but then the third page which I have denoted as 2A is the first letter you find to the General Medical Council dated 27 April 1997.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Which page are you on now? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It should be 2A at the top, but it is the third document in, a 2A and a 2B.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You can see the matters of complaint, most of which are no longer pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The pejorative term which finds its way into the press reporting is that this was experimental.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;None of the parents were informed verbally or written that this treatment was not a proven method for controlling Respiratory Distress Syndrome; again that is dispute.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;The suggestion that researchers have lied to ethics committees, the Chairman of the LYRIC, Mr Hughes, is then quoted.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If you go over the page, they are making it clear that there is a serious breach of the protocol by researchers and doctors and “would like to make formal complaint”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Reassurance that the matters will be properly investigated:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The persons in breach will be formally and publicly for what they have done.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Interestingly, they see a joint responsibility between researchers and the ethics committee, something which we will certainly be advancing should this matter progress.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It goes on to say that they would like a public inquiry, and in the penultimate paragraph:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“...investigate the hospitals conduct and are certain that you too will find several areas of misconduct resulting in loss of life or severe brain damage for many of those babies that survived.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;This is all about causation at this stage.&lt;span style=""&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;THE CHAIRMAN:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So I do not forget this in the future, this will was sent to whom? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;MR FORDE:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;To the General Medical Council.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You can discern that from the second page of the letter. The first full paragraph:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“We feel there has been a serious breach of the protocol...and would like to make this a formal complaint to yourselves the General Medical Council.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Not a lot seems to have happened with that complaint, again possibly because the General Medical Council were waiting for the May report and from Griffiths.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What then appears to have occurred, and we have not burdened you with the affidavit, although if you wish to see it you can, is that on 1 November, the Hens halls both swore lengthy affidavits detailing their concerns in relation to events that are between nine and eleven years old.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Quite why it took the General Medical Council four months to get us a copy of that affidavit, I do not know and we have had no explanation; this, in an old case which needed to be got on with.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We gave a detailed response on 16 May 2001, which you will find top right number 3, right the way through to number 7.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It was drafted with alacrity within six weeks detailing the allegations, setting out on its second page how the CNEP trial works – that is the third full paragraph – how the consent form was dealt with, accepting at the bottom of that page that Dr Spencer did not take part in either obtaining consents or allocating babies to one or other method of treatment, which we say was the clinical norm at the time.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;An awareness then of the problem with the nexials dealt with in the second full paragraph, which forms the subject of a charge, said by the standards of the day and disputed by us, to have been a sufficiently adverse event to have been reported.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The General Medical Council know that they are in possession of a report from Professor Hutton that does not support that view.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The problem never occurred in North Staffordshire and so query whether a problem occurring in another trial centre needs to be reported to the trial centre that Dr Spencer was operating in.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Tremendous care was taken was the neck seal, as is indicated in the letter.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You are not currently being asked to deal with the patient named on the fifth page, although you will discern that that was initially an allegation made against us, dismissed ultimately for the reason that that patient was under the care of a Dr Brookfield, from whom you may be hearing and against whom serious allegations were made.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Patient 6’s progress is then set out.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At various times Mr and Mrs Henshall have alleged that the clear signature in relation to the consent form was a forgery, or alternatively that she was too distressed or under the influence of anaesthesia, having had a caesarean section, to give valid consent; not an allegation currently proceeded with by the General Medical Council, but something which may have informed the decision of subsequent preliminary proceedings committees, a very serious allegation indeed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We then have the suggestion that CNEP compromised the care in relation to the blood gases, but that does not seem to include the situation which existed, that the umbilical artery catheter was doing that constantly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is then an allegation in relation to the ultrasounds, again possibly with the benefit of hindsight.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is a suggestion of conversation between my client and the Hens halls in the documentation which I will take you to, but he simply cannot remember the precise terms in which he discussed the scan or scans with Mrs Henshall on 22 December 1992 or 29 December 1992.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is then some scurrilous allegations made which we deal with in the conclusion where, effectively, as has long been the case, my doctor is accused of lying.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;On 12 December, the Henshalls having raised another thirty new points on 13 July which we did not comment upon, we were told that the matter would be considered by the Preliminary Proceedings Committee, which you will see at page 8 under the old rule 4.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On 28 January 2002, we were told, in terms, that the matter could not be going any further.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You will see in the third paragraph:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The Committee carefully considered the allegations against you and concluded that the allegations did not raise an issue of serious professional misconduct.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly the Committee decided not to take any action in relation to this complaint.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In reaching that decision the Committee took account of the following...”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;No real prospect of allegations being proved; substantial efforts to show the programme should be carried out and parents dealt with; a team of professionals; the protocol was peer reviewed; the fact that the research programme was not completed indicates that those involved had been properly prepared and properly managed – a very sensible approach, which I commend to this Panel.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In relation to the taking of consent, it was needed soon after birth.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The practice between 1993 and 1995, and we are dealing with practice between 1992 and 1993, 7 January, when the practice on consent was less rigorous than it is today.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It noted that statements and affidavits of those patients who alleged that informed consent was never given, most concede that some consent was given but they are not in a position to assess it properly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“The Committee noted the emotional stress they were under at the time of giving consent.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In view of this, it did not consider that there was a real prospect of these allegations being proved to the required standard.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It also considered that there was a wider issue involved about the taking of informed consent for the treatment of very young children.”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;They then raise some concerns about the information provided.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They go on to say, importantly, in 2002, so some six and a half years ago, and I have quoted it in my skeleton argument at page 7:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“That the concerns were with the benefit of hindsight and in the light of how informed consent may be obtained today... but in summary the Committee felt that those criticisms which could be sustained in relation to those issues were sufficient to reach the threshold of serious professional misconduct required for a reference to the Professional Conduct Committee.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Dr Spencer, Dr Samuels, Dr Southall all written to in similar terms, along with Palmer, Raine, Modi and Harvey et al. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;From Dr Spencer’s perspective, back to work with a sigh of relief, but no.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On 2 May 2002, the General Medical Council write and say, “We are going to re‑open this case because we have forgotten to consider 1600 pages of documentation”.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Again, nothing that can be said to have been influenced by doctor’s actions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We took the view, and still maintain the view, that those documents added absolutely nothing to the serious allegations that the Henshalls were making.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;As I have said, four lever arch files were received which did not advance the original allegations follows by another detailed submission dated December 2002 which it took the General Medical Council about five months to supply; no explanation for that.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It is right to say that there was considerable toing and froing then as to whether or not the General Medical Council had jurisdiction to re‑open the case.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A lot of jousting in correspondence, with the General Medical Council taking leading counsel’s advice, but the letter of December 2002 should not have been written if they were not sure of their legal ground.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It cannot be seen as any fault on the part of the doctor to indicate considerable unhappiness in relation to that matter.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;It took the GMC until January 2003, which is document 16 in the bundle, eight months after they said they were going to re‑open matters, to actually do so.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We supplied a response on 24 March 2003, which you have at page 19.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Again you will see that the sibling, page 20, was involved, but no longer pursued now.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;You find that the other issues that you should be concerned with started at page 23, internal page 5 of that letter.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We still have the forgery allegation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That was ultimately to be placed very fairly and squarely at the door of a Dr Kate Palmer, whose involvement in this case ended at the time of the judicial review proceedings, to which I shall turn to in a moment, and whose case – and we will supply you with this document – was dismissed in very similar terms to that which this doctor’s case was dismissed, never revisited despite the seriousness of the forgery allegations.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;We invite comparison.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We rely on the Newell report, which was 1995, and then there is a suggestion, no longer pursued, on page 24 that there was a delay, in appropriate treatment for the benefit of research, a failure to give surfactant at the relevant time, that is no longer pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The thoroughly scurrilous allegation was being maintained that these doctors were involved in procuring caesarean sections against the interest of the foetus in order to provide the requisite number of babies for the trial.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No longer pursued, but something which had been hanging over these doctors’ heads for many, many years.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;You will see from the top of page 24 that there have even been criminal investigations, as in fact there should be because if any of those children were subjected to caesarean section against their medical interests and subsequently died, there would be very serious charges faced by these doctors; nothing came of that at all.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;span style=""&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;Then they there are concerns about the monitoring of Mrs Henshall, not pursued.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The problem that we have on page 25 regarding the scan, Dr Newell is quoted at the top of the next page:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Patient 6’s respiratory distress syndrome was satisfactory.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He makes no adverse comment on the use of oxygen saturation monitors...”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;now pursued:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“...nor does he suggest that arterial blood gas analysis was given too late. He says it was not neglect to fail to do a scan prior to 8 days.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;which was an allegation being made against us: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 50.4pt 0.0001pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;;"&gt;“Standard of care and note keeping was commendable...no evidence of negligence or care of a poor standard.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quo
